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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 20 Dec 21 12.54pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Someone should seriously list out all of the figures/stats that were spouted last time out - they were all wrong then and likely all wrong now.
Every death is sad but we heard 500,000 deaths by the end of last year and so on - most of them are just academic buffoons.

I think it also depends on what you're being fed by the media. The trash rags such as the mail and below will always go for the higher or highest end projections, because clicks

How many wild projections is irrelevant. What is more interesting, and relevant, is to know what scenarios were presented and chosen by those making the decisions as the most likely out of the range, as these would be the ones that led to those decisions being taken.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Dec 21 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think it also depends on what you're being fed by the media. The trash rags such as the mail and below will always go for the higher or highest end projections, because clicks

How many wild projections is irrelevant. What is more interesting, and relevant, is to know what scenarios were presented and chosen by those making the decisions as the most likely out of the range, as these would be the ones that led to those decisions being taken.

It doesn’t make it easy to “follow the science” when such disparate projections are offered up.
Trevor Phillips put it to Sajid Javid yesterday that the government are only shown the stats they ask for and he didn’t really deny it.

 
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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 20 Dec 21 1.28pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It doesn’t make it easy to “follow the science” when such disparate projections are offered up.
Trevor Phillips put it to Sajid Javid yesterday that the government are only shown the stats they ask for and he didn’t really deny it.

Yeah, one expert on the radio said they are asked to give an opinion about something and are told what the opinion is-and hey presto-you got the job!

 
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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 20 Dec 21 2.34pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

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Isn’t it more ‘show me the worst case scenarios’ - of which there could be many variations of from different sources.

No one asks for the best case scenario and uses it to define policy surely. However I do agree with the negativity point - obtain the most credible worst and best case scenarios and use the average to aid policy. Rather than choosing the worst worst case all the time, which in fact is bad logic anyway

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Dec 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Isn’t it more ‘show me the worst case scenarios’ - of which there could be many variations of from different sources.

No one asks for the best case scenario and uses it to define policy surely. However I do agree with the negativity point - obtain the most credible worst and best case scenarios and use the average to aid policy. Rather than choosing the worst worst case all the time, which in fact is bad logic anyway

Yes, exactly. Particularly when the knock-on effects are likely to be as severe as those caused by lockdowns. There’s also the probability of people starting to get blasé about threat levels when previous worst case scenarios have failed to materialise.

 
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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Online Flag 20 Dec 21 3.41pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Average deaths currently from covid are 111/day.
Are they really going to lock us down because of that?
I know lots of people who have tested positive in the last week or so via lateral flow tests and they are going to isolate but their results are not part of the current data.
It is virulent but appears not to be too dangerous - that's all!

 
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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Online Flag 20 Dec 21 3.42pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Copied and pasted from just now - The UK should do the same -
From today, life for the unvaccinated in Switzerland becomes very restricted.
Bars, restaurants, theatres, museums, gyms and sporting events are open only to those who can prove they are vaccinated or that they have recovered.
A negative test is no longer acceptable. Essentials like grocery shops, pharmacists and public transport are still accessible to all, but masks must be worn – and everyone who can must work from home.

 
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Spoke to my friend in Italy yesterday. You cannot do anything unless you have a green card (COVID passport). That includes work, public transport, bars and cafes etc.

This has been in place for some time a lot of protests to start with but once people realised that they were socially restricted they soon shut up and got vaccinated.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 20 Dec 21 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


In Austria restrictions on unvaccinated people are being lifted for Christmas and New Year which is fair enough but doesn’t make much sense if they are such a risk to all and sundry.

 
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Jimmy Dore on the development of microchips for vaccination status.

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 20 Dec 21 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Jimmy Dore on the development of microchips for vaccination status.

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Yep, nothing new there. Microchip technology has been available for decades and it will hold any information you care to upload…including vaccination status.

 
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