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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 20 11.53am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Politicians are now competing to see who can be 'toughest' on the Coronavirus. They are not interested in actually doing the right thing. Everything is a political decision, not a scientific one. To think that government advisors do anything other than what they are told to do is naive. And I'm talking several countries here, not just the UK.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Mar 20 11.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

At least Corbyn visited flood victims, and wouldn't have slashed funding for the environmental agencies; and at least Sanders would provide free Medicare, thereby mitigating the risk of people not being tested and treated.

I'm not saying they could prevent these things from happening, but leadership takes many forms, and in these cases, long term investments in to sectors which are unsexy but essential is worth far more than winning at the despatches box or eloquently insulting your opponents.

Corbyn might have increased funding for a couple of years but after the interest rates sky rocket all the poor would have been vastly less well off.....It's as if you don't think socialism hasn't been tried here before.

I don't really have an issue with you attacking what's happened because I think you are probably more right than wrong......but I certainly don't think any political leader out there would do better.

The rather nasty truth about situations like this is that the authoritarians in China have probably the best solution.....and it's all about being pretty horrible short term to save more lives long term......Whereas we seem to be more about the reverse.

So I'm a bit conflicted about it.

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 15 Mar 20 12.03pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Unusually for social media and conversation in general, the Corona virus has created something unique in that people seem no longer certain of their opinion. Politically there seems no mast to tie opinion to, with constantly shifting advice and actions forcing us to change our views on an almost daily basis. I was of the opinion that it was an over reaction but then news came out of Italy of doctors having to make life or death decisions over treatment because of a shortage of beds and resources. With so many people in the UK now on zero-hour contracts, or without assured sick pay it is incredibly hard decision to make with regard to closing schools, or even going into lockdown, but it seems inevitable it will happen.

There can be positives come out of this and adversity does seem to have a way of bringing out the best in (most) people. Here in Malta the cable companies are giving free premium channels to all users to help entertain them during the school shutdown, while the government has said it will suspend collection of tax and social security in April. I expect we'll go into lockdown next week despite only a dozen cases so far. Round the corner from me this morning men in protective suits were spraying a car while a government official stood there unprotected stroking his pot belly and probably thinking about lunch; some things never change.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Mar 20 12.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

There's a dark humour to the fact that our new leaders, who strode in to power promising to be strong and effective, are now stumbling around in chaotic bewilderment when they are needed most.


This goes for Boris who disappeared ad half the country went under water, and Trump, whose hubris in rejecting scientific evidence means he now has put himself and those around him at a high risk of infection, and has airports incubating the virus as we speak.

Funny, yet tragic. We really are led by donkeys.

What a lot of crap.

Typically, you try to make political gain from people's suffering.
The people who are in charge have the bigger picture and unlike you, they actually have to make the difficult decisions.

 

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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 15 Mar 20 12.36pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

What will happen if both strategy wins? (Herd immunity which ends with 30-40 mill infected British & rest of the world cleaned the virus even if temporarily with lock-down and removes it after as it is not sustainable)

Isolated Britain?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Mar 20 12.57pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

China's measures appear to have been succeeding and they are shutting down hospitals as their new cases are dropping significantly.

Once a vaccine is developed for this virus then the reality is that you have cracked the code of that particular aliment and hence strains that develop are no more deadly than new flu strains are normally....ie you can quickly adjust your vaccine......I think that happens with flu generally.....it's about cracking that code to develop the way to attack the virus initially.

I can't say I agree with the UK's softy softy approach myself but then again the culture for many in the UK isn't that touchy feely anyway I certainly think we won't see the percentage infection that Italy and Spain have....another big factor is that we have far less inter generational family members living in the same house.

My boy mentioned that being an unsociable lot it probably wont spread as much over here.
Being selfish may pay dividends in the long run.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 15 Mar 20 1.09pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What a lot of crap.

Typically, you try to make political gain from people's suffering.
The people who are in charge have the bigger picture and unlike you, they actually have to make the difficult decisions.

There is always a political element to crises. For the record, I have no gear to grind with the British response to the virus, as I admit I'm not qualified to do so.

What I do challenge is the continual denigration of scientific analysis on a range of issues which the far right have pushed in recent years. Trump is obviously a figurehead, but even recently on here, I was having to defend scientific analysis from certain posters that were accusing the scientific community of having a Marxist agenda.

That has been led by cowards in charge looking to personally gain from wildly criticising 'experts'. Now, the chickens are coming home to roost, and there is a dark humour in how those same people are having to rely on the very same people they were ridiculing.

 


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Originally posted by serial thriller

At least Corbyn visited flood victims, and wouldn't have slashed funding for the environmental agencies; and at least Sanders would provide free Medicare, thereby mitigating the risk of people not being tested and treated.

I'm not saying they could prevent these things from happening, but leadership takes many forms, and in these cases, long term investments in to sectors which are unsexy but essential is worth far more than winning at the despatches box or eloquently insulting your opponents.


If your long term investments are about nhs beds then you are out there man.
Are you advocating we have 1 million beds and extra equipment and tons more medical staff on the wage bill for a 1 in a 100 year pandemic.
Geez serial, trying to get one up politically at a time like this!

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Mar 20 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

just witnessed the total fck-up that is Coronovirus today.

Still, the UK Government is not shutting schools. The Irish are shutting theirs for 16 weeks. So in the UK, infected kids (who show no symptoms) are freely allowed to mix with other kids and adults and grandparents. Good start.

Meanwhile mainland Europe has become the epi-centre for the virus. Why is that ?
Could it be because Europe has no coordinated plan, and no borders ?

Muppets of low intelligence.
I was trying to get a box or two of dogfood in Tescos this morning.
There were people pushing extra-large trolleys full of bread and tins of food, whilst talking on their mobile phones,.."yeah, are you in aisle 10 ? yeah , get as much bog-roll and soap as you can. See you at the check-out"

I wish illness would take them all,...

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Mar 20 1.28pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

just witnessed the total fck-up that is Coronovirus today.

Still, the UK Government is not shutting schools. The Irish are shutting theirs for 16 weeks. So in the UK, infected kids (who show no symptoms) are freely allowed to mix with other kids and adults and grandparents. Good start.

Meanwhile mainland Europe has become the epi-centre for the virus. Why is that ?
Could it be because Europe has no coordinated plan, and no borders ?

Muppets of low intelligence.
I was trying to get a box or two of dogfood in Tescos this morning.
There were people pushing extra-large trolleys full of bread and tins of food, whilst talking on their mobile phones,.."yeah, are you in aisle 10 ? yeah , get as much bog-roll and soap as you can. See you at the check-out"

I wish illness would take them all,...

We could have just shut off all travel from China in the first place. Quarantined and tested all arrivals from infected areas for a short period and barely been affected. Instead - well you can see what is happening.
Geo-politics gone mad.

 


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View blackheatheagle's Profile blackheatheagle Flag Beckenham 15 Mar 20 1.33pm Send a Private Message to blackheatheagle Add blackheatheagle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

We could have just shut off all travel from China in the first place. Quarantined and tested all arrivals from infected areas for a short period and barely been affected. Instead - well you can see what is happening.
Geo-politics gone mad.

This is really unacceptable. My mother-in-law arrived to UK last Tuesday (even if from non-risk country by then) and she said there was no checks at all. (By the way we are sending her back today earlier than planned as there may be a travel ban with UK due to latest numbers and government`s approach)

UK had an advantage of being island and being out of Schengen zone, this advantage has been wasted ruthlessly.

Edited by blackheatheagle (15 Mar 2020 1.34pm)

 

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Originally posted by blackheatheagle

This is really unacceptable. My mother-in-law arrived to UK last Tuesday (even if from non-risk country by then) and she said there was no checks at all. (By the way we are sending her back today earlier than planned as there may be a travel ban with UK due to latest numbers and government`s approach)

UK had an advantage of being island and being out of Schengen zone, this advantage has been wasted ruthlessly.

Edited by blackheatheagle (15 Mar 2020 1.34pm)

Same here in Ireland and we do always have a passport check at every airport and even from ferries. We could have banned or checked everyone if there had been a will to do it. Instead we have a situation whereby we are going to go into lock down tonight or tomorrow. Await the midnight declaration.
In other news, my neighbour has died. They had a pre-existing condition.

 


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