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BlueJay  UK 07 Aug 21 1.37am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
You can explain that by fewer young people have been offered 1/2 jabs or turned them down whereas take up in older age groups was much higher as expected. What I would like to know is the obesity percentages in hospital. Maybe underlying health conditions, although they’re mostly bad luck. Being overweight usually isn’t. The warnings have been clear. Certainly. I'm just pointing out that the vaccine is clearly highly effective and that thousands of those who convinced themselves that they didn't need to have it in fact did. Though I agree that below a certain age, it's a reasonable shout not to bother unless there are other health issues (as you say overweight, or unfortunate autoimmune issues and the like). It would be useful to have a more detailed breakdown of who in these younger groups is in hospital. 100% agree that this whole situation is a timely reminder to maintain a decent standard of health. Push your luck too far and you pay a price eventually one way or another.
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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 07 Aug 21 6.06am |
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Forgot to mention that a lot of younger people are mixing normally whereas old people aren’t mixing nearly at all.
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grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 07 Aug 21 7.12pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Certainly. I'm just pointing out that the vaccine is clearly highly effective and that thousands of those who convinced themselves that they didn't need to have it in fact did. Though I agree that below a certain age, it's a reasonable shout not to bother unless there are other health issues (as you say overweight, or unfortunate autoimmune issues and the like). It would be useful to have a more detailed breakdown of who in these younger groups is in hospital. 100% agree that this whole situation is a timely reminder to maintain a decent standard of health. Push your luck too far and you pay a price eventually one way or another.
"Thousands of young people convincing themselves not require but they do need it" Please provide the data for this I have not seen any science literature to back up these claims only the media. The people i have spoken to which are places in multi locations in the UK have stated it is again misleading messages the people admitted are not due to covid-19 other health issues but they have then gone on to test for covid-19 so as is the case throughout this whole thing it's all covid-19 fault. A big issue is the scare tactics been used if you have all that in your mind and then have a few symptoms or told you positive result it ends up making people panic resulting in more symptoms which you go to hospital and they see covid-19 positive must be the the issue. If people are so worried get your life together correct lifestyle and diet, make sure you have a good Vitamin D level (People wont do this so no vaccine or pill is really going to help them) It looks like Novavax has been approved in EU which is very good news this is the only one I recommend if you do choose to have one.
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 07 Aug 21 7.39pm |
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99 .7 per cent survival rate.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Aug 21 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
You purposefully ignore everything people say anyway. As I said 1) I've had covid so can very much assure you I'm getting on with life as normal and not 'scared' or 'chicken' 2) There are specific health / disability factors in my family that make me want to stay on top of their health You're conflicted about your own behaviour rather than mine. Someone who ranted on about how 'unsafe' the vaccines would be for years to begin with, and then had to have it extracted that they'd now been vaccinated anyway (which was a 'good decision' by the way). I'm perfectly fine with the idea of this booster on scientific grounds. Decision made. Unless you're going to become hysterical about 20-30 million people having it, you would be best to accept that people will be making their own decisions on this one. Due to how fragmented vaccination is becoming now (since tens of millions won't have the booster) it's unlikely that there be any 'requirement' to have had it. I'll leave the almond milk for you.. it sounds like you need it more than I do.
Been away for a couple of days, but I want to respond to this. In my original post about this booster, you ignored my original concern, 'Will I need to have this booster to go to work?' and changed the topic to your fear of the virus, and thinking it is necessary. I ignore the irrelevant stuff you post. It's becoming mandatory to be double jabbed (many jobs, flights, public transport, night clubs, etc), which I had to be for work, and the more people who agree to the booster, the more likely it becomes mandatory too. You fuel this by being complicit in having the booster.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Aug 21 11.47pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Also, in future when people discuss their family and they are genuine in their approach and reasoning on health, don't keep defaulting to this endlessly snide, creepy and targetted behaviour that is clearly designed solely to get a rise. You have the track record of being disingenuous on the matter because what you preached for months was the complete opposite of you how you personally behaved in your own life (by getting vaccinated), so it's a bit rich for you to become indignant at others decisions on the matter. As hard as it appears to be for you, attempt to demonstrate a slither of integrity and decency on this one by accepting that opinions will differ on the booster. Much like the flu jab, going forward it's likely to be an annual part of life. One you'll probably end up taking up yourself (again!) regardless of what you say here, making this conversation pointless. Edited by BlueJay (04 Aug 2021 10.52am) Really? Months of preaching? When? You see, this is why you get ignored by me. You might find one or two comments where we disagreed, but hardly disingenuous. And it's "sliver". Not the snake-like "slither"....but I'm not surprised you got it wrong.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Aug 21 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Bloke's hiding his sexual fantasies about as well as his vaccination status. What age are you? Why bring sexual fantasies into the subject? You really get worked up about this virus. Chill a bit pal. Try and keep on topic, and address the issues posted, not your own personal issues.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Aug 21 5.36am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
You really get worked up about this virus. Chill a bit pal. Even when I'm talking in the most boring and benign fashion you lunge in out of nowhere thinking you're achieving something (clue: You aren't). I've already repeatedly expressed that I've had covid and as such don't even have the slightest concern about being sociable or of the virus personally. If you're so crazed that you'd like me to post actual proof and texts that I've had covid I'm more than willing to do so. In all likelihood, I have six months in the clear. I quite frankly do not give two sh!ts from a personal health perspective. I've also repeatedly explained that my concerns lie entirely with family members who have very real health issues. So thrilled are you with your juvenile 'youre scared' teddy bear themed interjections though that no mention of such matters or concerns means a jot. Well done you. While you're clearly happy to give the middle finger to my concerns for my family I am willing to display a bit more decency towards yours. All of your relentless guff 'this time around' came from faux outrage when I said I'll likely have the booster jab (as will millions of others). The booster will clearly be more fragmented in terms of take up, so personally I don't think it will be a 'requirement' in terms of work and so on. Just my opinion and a separate consideration to whether or not it's worth having. Again, all this from someone so embarrassed by how at odds their own views were with their vaccination status, that the truth of it had to be extracted from them over a period of days. Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
If only. Most sensible idea you've had so far. Edited by BlueJay (08 Aug 2021 6.58pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Aug 21 6.45am |
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Originally posted by sickboy
99 .7 per cent survival rate. I read that in the USA more people have died of C19 in the last 18 months than have of flu in the last five years. basic maths alone means it is 3 times as deadly.
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| Eden Eagle Kent 08 Aug 21 9.28am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read that in the USA more people have died of C19 in the last 18 months than have of flu in the last five years. basic maths alone means it is 3 times as deadly. Potentially that might be true if you could trust the definition of what actually constitutes a CV death - in the UK is is classified as being a CV death if someone dies within 28 days of having a positive test - the actual death could be for anything heart attack, stroke, road accident, suicide etc. Not sure of the exact figures but I read that around a third of CV “hospitalisations” were in hospital for other reason, eg broken leg, but contracted the virus in hospital and are then included in the hospitalisation stats. There is no doubt that the UK Government (and many others globally) are massaging the figures upwards to increase the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths - the question is why?
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| grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 08 Aug 21 10.00am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read that in the USA more people have died of C19 in the last 18 months than have of flu in the last five years. basic maths alone means it is 3 times as deadly.
The US has a lot of unhealthy people it has been disease managing a long time and failing because its based on a greedy system that does not care about peoples health. Originally posted by BlueJay
This can be used in a misleading way or confuse people because yes coronavirus has been around a long time but people only appear to think that covid-19 exsists and label them all together. If you had covid which I believe you did (the type is questionable based of testing is not 100% correct) no reason to really lie about this did this occur before or after being vaccinated?
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| BlueJay UK 08 Aug 21 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
This can be used in a misleading way or confuse people because yes coronavirus has been around a long time but people only appear to think that covid-19 exsists and label them all together. If you had covid which I believe you did (the type is questionable based of testing is not 100% correct) no reason to really lie about this did this occur before or after being vaccinated?
In a thread which is entirely about the Covid-19 pandemic, something tells me that people might know what I'm talking about. There are countless other examples of people saying 'covid' in this thread. Maybe the thread title should be changed too? Timewise when I had covid I will have definitely have benefited from the first jab, though it's feasible that the second may not have fully kicked in. Being vaccinated and having (mild) covid-19 is no doubt a decent and potentially good combination really.
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