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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 21 11.32am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

There does appear to be good science behind why having covid 'and' the vaccination in whatever order might heighten immunity considerably again covid strains, but I do see what you mean. Getting the delta variant of covid essentially must put people in the clear for several months since that's almost exclusively what's out there right now, whereas the vaccination is somewhat more generalised. I see a combination of the yearly boosters and natural infection snuffing it out for the most part.

Yes, I'm in agreement on the economy. After the first lockdown it was elective really, or rather people were more able to make their own decisions. It's sad for businesses to fail on their own merits, but worse when they didn't even have a fighting chance to begin with. On that note, from talking with a few business owners I've also been amazed at how successful some of the new takeaway services that sprung up out of necessity did. I guess it just goes to show that you never know what crazy curveball life has to throw, and so always need to keep one eye on how to position yourself for that.

Yep, it's going to be interesting how the economy will alter in some ways.

Less social contact is probably ahead just as a natural response to biological inputs from an ever increasingly globalised world. There's an interesting juxtaposition there as travel means a smaller world yet it's one that an individual, especially an older one, will want to keep at arm's length for their health.

I'll definitely be buying some FFP3 respiratators in the near future because it's obvious to me how viruses can be used as a weapon in the future due to how ridiculously easy that would be......especially if they can attach it to specific racial or environmental imprints. I don't think the normie quite understand just how much R&D is going into bioweapons that would make mustard gas seem like a stink bomb.

It's already increasingly probable that this came from a lab (ignoring our media's culpability in censorship for now) and while evidence does appear to point to an accident the probability that this is a modified Sars viruses has multiple implications with the west's already difficult relationship with China.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 1.58pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, it's going to be interesting how the economy will alter in some ways.

Less social contact is probably ahead just as a natural response to biological inputs from an ever increasingly globalised world. There's an interesting juxtaposition there as travel means a smaller world yet it's one that an individual, especially an older one, will want to keep at arm's length for their health.

I'll definitely be buying some FFP3 respiratators in the near future because it's obvious to me how viruses can be used as a weapon in the future due to how ridiculously easy that would be......especially if they can attach it to specific racial or environmental imprints. I don't think the normie quite understand just how much R&D is going into bioweapons that would make mustard gas seem like a stink bomb.

It's already increasingly probable that this came from a lab (our ignore our media's culpability in censorship for now) and while evidence does appear to point to an accident the probability that this is a modified Sars viruses has multiple implications with the west's already difficult relationship with China.

Yes, and authorities around the world will have research and possibly the very weapons stored away under state secrets acts. There is of course another enemy in the Middle East, and there too, fundamentalists.

FFP3 respiratators as well as masks are a good idea, and I too look at the people obsessed with masks and wonder why they don’t acquire FFP3 masks that are available. I bought a u-mask recommended on here, but eventually lost it a few months ago so wore pointless disposable ones when compulsory for theatre and confidence for the vulnerable, because that’s all they are. I could not breathe with a piece of cloth strapped tightly to my face. I tried but couldn’t. That is why we evolved with a mouth and 2 nostrils.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes, and authorities around the world will have research and possibly the very weapons stored away under state secrets acts. There is of course another enemy in the Middle East, and there too, fundamentalists.

FFP3 respiratators as well as masks are a good idea, and I too look at the people obsessed with masks and wonder why they don’t acquire FFP3 masks that are available. I bought a u-mask recommended on here, but eventually lost it a few months ago so wore pointless disposable ones when compulsory for theatre and confidence for the vulnerable, because that’s all they are. I could not breathe with a piece of cloth strapped tightly to my face. I tried but couldn’t. That is why we evolved with a mouth and 2 nostrils.

Same here, the whole mask episode is largely ridiculous outside of close quarter situations and even then it's debatable outside of the kind of hygienic common sense I remember us referring to at the start....behaviours commonplace in Japan and Korea, which comprise some of the most people dense places in the world.

Having said this....that's for the vulnerable....let's be honest for those under fifty changing your life drastically has to be subject to just how willing you are to do that.

I'm 52 now and personally, while nightclubs are hardly a concern I don't take kindly to the state telling me what I can and can't do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 1.59pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 5.23pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Woah there. Let’s not get carried away.

Bloke's hiding his sexual fantasies about as well as his vaccination status.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 5.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, it's going to be interesting how the economy will alter in some ways.

Less social contact is probably ahead just as a natural response to biological inputs from an ever increasingly globalised world. There's an interesting juxtaposition there as travel means a smaller world yet it's one that an individual, especially an older one, will want to keep at arm's length for their health.

I'll definitely be buying some FFP3 respiratators in the near future because it's obvious to me how viruses can be used as a weapon in the future due to how ridiculously easy that would be......especially if they can attach it to specific racial or environmental imprints. I don't think the normie quite understand just how much R&D is going into bioweapons that would make mustard gas seem like a stink bomb.

It's already increasingly probable that this came from a lab (ignoring our media's culpability in censorship for now) and while evidence does appear to point to an accident the probability that this is a modified Sars viruses has multiple implications with the west's already difficult relationship with China.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 1.58pm)

Some would say that's OTT, but I do tend to agree that we're in new territory now. Even in a scenario where it didn't come from a lab (which it may have anyway as you say), seeing this all pan out in real time may well spur faster development of more deadly viruses. I bet it requires disturbingly few people (especially if state sponsored) to set all hell loose.

People used to think preppers were mad, but nowadays I would say that being prepared for such unknowns to some extent is wise and family focused. We the time everyone else is worried about something none of this kit would be available.

 

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‘Coronavirus levels in people with the Delta variant may be similar regardless of whether or not they've been vaccinated - and it could have implications for infectiousness, early analysis suggests.’

A big problem for the government coercing people.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Aug 21 8.17pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

[Link]

‘Coronavirus levels in people with the Delta variant may be similar regardless of whether or not they've been vaccinated - and it could have implications for infectiousness, early analysis suggests.’

A big problem for the government coercing people.

Interesting finding if repeated. To be honest I think most people have given up on the idea of herd immunity now, and that the combination of vaccination and getting (hopefully mild) covid when getting on as normal is the best protection there is for all.

It does beg the question of the point of say vaccinating the under 40s (or def under 30s) and so on though, as they're at very low risk anyway, so if it's not reducing virus levels there is less point in vaccinating them (even if it reduces transmission somewhat - but not levels if infected).

On the other side of the coin, a good proportion of those in hospital are unvaccinated and on the younger side (which shows that covid can pack more of a punch than many realise) and it's still important for those of a certain age to get vaccinated. This type of thing isn't entirely uncommon [Link] and was very likely entirely avoidable.


Edited by BlueJay (06 Aug 2021 8.29pm)

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

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‘Coronavirus levels in people with the Delta variant may be similar regardless of whether or not they've been vaccinated - and it could have implications for infectiousness, early analysis suggests.’

A big problem for the government coercing people.

Much bigger deal for those unvaccinated. Infectiousness and transmissibility of those vaccinated being high means that they might not get many symptoms themselves but can pass on a high viral load to others.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Much bigger deal for those unvaccinated. Infectiousness and transmissibility of those vaccinated being high means that they might not get many symptoms themselves but can pass on a high viral load to others.

Which was always the original thought. Don’t get vaccinated, take your chance.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Which was always the original thought. Don’t get vaccinated, take your chance.

Bizarre thinking though. Especially when if this is true even vaccinated people could give you a full on dose of it.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Interesting finding if repeated. To be honest I think most people have given up on the idea of herd immunity now, and that the combination of vaccination and getting (hopefully mild) covid when getting on as normal is the best protection there is for all.

It does beg the question of the point of say vaccinating the under 40s (or def under 30s) and so on though, as they're at very low risk anyway, so if it's not reducing virus levels there is less point in vaccinating them (even if it reduces transmission somewhat - but not levels if infected).

On the other side of the coin, a good proportion of those in hospital are unvaccinated and on the younger side (which shows that covid can pack more of a punch than many realise) and it's still important for those of a certain age to get vaccinated. This type of thing isn't entirely uncommon [Link] and was very likely entirely avoidable.


Edited by BlueJay (06 Aug 2021 8.29pm)

You can explain that by fewer young people have been offered 1/2 jabs or turned them down whereas take up in older age groups was much higher as expected. What I would like to know is the obesity percentages in hospital. Maybe underlying health conditions, although they’re mostly bad luck. Being overweight usually isn’t. The warnings have been clear.

 


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