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BlueJay UK 27 Aug 21 1.31am
Originally posted by HKOwen Tough to convinces someone you got herpes from the vaccination..... Haha . This 'data' is some kind of strange 'What I told the wife' list. I'm surprised we're not seeing love bites on this list of side effects. Edited by BlueJay (27 Aug 2021 1.33am)
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BlueJay

UK 27 Aug 21 1.31am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Tough to convinces someone you got herpes from the vaccination.....

Haha . This 'data' is some kind of strange 'What I told the wife' list. I'm surprised we're not seeing love bites on this list of side effects.

Edited by BlueJay (27 Aug 2021 1.33am)

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W12 27 Aug 21 6.06am
Originally posted by grumpymort Still waiting for evidence of causation you have no stance without it. What is your point this is a useless post. As I said before when you get educated in the subject you will understand it currently you are like most normal people rambling on about this person or that person yet you have no clue what anybody is even saying. If I posted up 3 random published papers I bet you wouldn't even have a clue what they are about or if they are even valid or not. Misinformation is coming from many parties both sides if it is not backed up by any published literature its not valid science end of. By the way those claimed experts you mention I suggest you do your research first before posting claims people are experts and see what their backgrounds really are. Should we be using the likes of mRNA vaccines for the masses no is it worth the risk for the groups which are at such a high risk without it will likely die yes if they choose it. I suggest you look up Novavax (NVX-CoV2373) which is a covid-19 vaccine and is the only one I have recommended to people that are worried and want to reduce the risk of issues if they do become infected. So the governments own adverse reaction reporting system isn’t evidence of causation? Can you set the bar a bit higher? How is posting links to huge groups of medical professional who are questioning these vaccines a “useless post” unless your mind is already closed to other opinions? Do you think high profile virologists/epidemiologists have anything to gain from going against the accepted narrative like they are? Take Doctor Mike Yeadon for example and tell me how he benefits from this being retired and already very rich from the vaccine industry. Why should we be paying Novavax (yet another experimental vaccine sponsored by Bill Gates) extortionate amounts of money for a vaccine when very cheap and better therapeutics work much better and should be made available? Where is your evidence?
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W12 27 Aug 21 6.06am

Originally posted by grumpymort

Still waiting for evidence of causation you have no stance without it.

What is your point this is a useless post.

As I said before when you get educated in the subject you will understand it currently you are like most normal people rambling on about this person or that person yet you have no clue what anybody is even saying.

If I posted up 3 random published papers I bet you wouldn't even have a clue what they are about or if they are even valid or not.

Misinformation is coming from many parties both sides if it is not backed up by any published literature its not valid science end of.

By the way those claimed experts you mention I suggest you do your research first before posting claims people are experts and see what their backgrounds really are.

Should we be using the likes of mRNA vaccines for the masses no is it worth the risk for the groups which are at such a high risk without it will likely die yes if they choose it.

I suggest you look up Novavax (NVX-CoV2373) which is a covid-19 vaccine and is the only one I have recommended to people that are worried and want to reduce the risk of issues if they do become infected.

So the governments own adverse reaction reporting system isn’t evidence of causation? Can you set the bar a bit higher?

How is posting links to huge groups of medical professional who are questioning these vaccines a “useless post” unless your mind is already closed to other opinions?

Do you think high profile virologists/epidemiologists have anything to gain from going against the accepted narrative like they are? Take Doctor Mike Yeadon for example and tell me how he benefits from this being retired and already very rich from the vaccine industry.

Why should we be paying Novavax (yet another experimental vaccine sponsored by Bill Gates) extortionate amounts of money for a vaccine when very cheap and better therapeutics work much better and should be made available?

Where is your evidence?

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W12 27 Aug 21 6.24am
The current "vaccination" mass psychosis, like all of those that came before, rests on the fallacy of THE GREATER GOOD. There is nothing new here, the fallacy of "the greater good" is always invoked in order to cement a mass psychosis on a population in order to then commit atrocities. If you look at the justification of all the greatest crimes against humanity in history, it is always "the greater good". Why is "the greater good" a fallacy? Because it always rests on unproven top down predetermined conclusions that require a sacrifice to be made by others, it lays a claim on others and their right to come to an entirely different conclusion on what is and is not "the greater good". It is precisely to limit the arrogance of those claiming they can determine the "greater good" for others to the point of locking them up or performing medical experiments on them without free and informed consent (see the Nuremberg doctors trials) that we codified and clearly wrote down what our human rights are with regards to medical interventions. As numerous doctors have pointed out now, we have enough data on adverse reactions to conclude that mass injections of the young who are at no risk of death or complications from Covid19 will lead to hundreds of deaths. There is no scientific or medical doubt on this. Therefore to go along with this is not only PREMEDITATED MURDER it is also a MASSACRE OF THE IMNOCENTS of Biblical proportions. That the "vaccines" are complete failures is beyond reasonable doubt. This is proved beyond doubt by the simple push for "boosters". To commit or participate in any form of premeditated murder is a criminal offense, there is no greater good justification which will stand in a criminal court for the simple reason that it is already acknowledged that these injections do not prevent infection or transmission, and the young are at zero risk of death from Covid19, unless they are already very ill from something else. A premeditated murder committed against the young is also known as a MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENTS. Can a massacre of the innocents ever be for "the greater good", or is this a mass psychosis being used to get people to close their eyes to one of the greatest premeditated murders of all time?
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W12 27 Aug 21 6.24am

The current "vaccination" mass psychosis, like all of those that came before, rests on the fallacy of THE GREATER GOOD.

There is nothing new here, the fallacy of "the greater good" is always invoked in order to cement a mass psychosis on a population in order to then commit atrocities. If you look at the justification of all the greatest crimes against humanity in history, it is always "the greater good".

Why is "the greater good" a fallacy? Because it always rests on unproven top down predetermined conclusions that require a sacrifice to be made by others, it lays a claim on others and their right to come to an entirely different conclusion on what is and is not "the greater good".

It is precisely to limit the arrogance of those claiming they can determine the "greater good" for others to the point of locking them up or performing medical experiments on them without free and informed consent (see the Nuremberg doctors trials) that we codified and clearly wrote down what our human rights are with regards to medical interventions.

As numerous doctors have pointed out now, we have enough data on adverse reactions to conclude that mass injections of the young who are at no risk of death or complications from Covid19 will lead to hundreds of deaths. There is no scientific or medical doubt on this. Therefore to go along with this is not only PREMEDITATED MURDER it is also a MASSACRE OF THE IMNOCENTS of Biblical proportions.

That the "vaccines" are complete failures is beyond reasonable doubt. This is proved beyond doubt by the simple push for "boosters".

To commit or participate in any form of premeditated murder is a criminal offense, there is no greater good justification which will stand in a criminal court for the simple reason that it is already acknowledged that these injections do not prevent infection or transmission, and the young are at zero risk of death from Covid19, unless they are already very ill from something else.

A premeditated murder committed against the young is also known as a MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENTS.

Can a massacre of the innocents ever be for "the greater good", or is this a mass psychosis being used to get people to close their eyes to one of the greatest premeditated murders of all time?

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 27 Aug 21 1.59pm
Last reply because W12 is just showing to be another dumb Antivaxer. It's not worth the effort with people like you. Clearly again you have shown to have not looked into any of the information regarding any of the vaccines. I stated about Novavax you come back with the same misinformation about it lumping it together with all the other types. Read the literature it is very clear to see this does not use experimental methods it uses the same methods tried and tested for decades. Please go and get an education you have no fn clue what you are on about causation which another word you clearly do not understand. cause and effect if you can not prove the cause you are guessing the effect this is what you are doing. I have a headache well that must be the vaccine no it could be 1 from a thousand of different reasons which is why you prove the cause. Self reporting is the same as questionnaire studies you cant take to much of the data serious because again as described above. If people ended up in hospital because of these reasons further investigation would be done but we are not really seeing that. Experts are disagreeing because a lot of it is based of the same misinformation you are spreading which is from epidemiology and association this is not real science I already explained to you what that is cause/effect not effect and guess what the cause is. Im not going to comment on the Bill Gates hearsay it is for people who really do lack any IQ. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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grumpymort

US/Thailand/UK 27 Aug 21 1.59pm

Last reply because W12 is just showing to be another dumb Antivaxer.

It's not worth the effort with people like you.

Clearly again you have shown to have not looked into any of the information regarding any of the vaccines.

I stated about Novavax you come back with the same misinformation about it lumping it together with all the other types.

Read the literature it is very clear to see this does not use experimental methods it uses the same methods tried and tested for decades.

Please go and get an education you have no fn clue what you are on about causation which another word you clearly do not understand.

cause and effect if you can not prove the cause you are guessing the effect this is what you are doing.

I have a headache well that must be the vaccine no it could be 1 from a thousand of different reasons which is why you prove the cause.

Self reporting is the same as questionnaire studies you cant take to much of the data serious because again as described above.

If people ended up in hospital because of these reasons further investigation would be done but we are not really seeing that.

Experts are disagreeing because a lot of it is based of the same misinformation you are spreading which is from epidemiology and association this is not real science I already explained to you what that is cause/effect not effect and guess what the cause is.

Im not going to comment on the Bill Gates hearsay it is for people who really do lack any IQ.

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BlueJay UK 27 Aug 21 3.08pm
Originally posted by W12 Can a massacre of the innocents ever be for "the greater good", or is this a mass psychosis being used to get people to close their eyes to one of the greatest premeditated murders of all time? Not for the first time you sound like you've totally lost it. By all means have a view on the vaccine, or reject it personally, but it is well beyond doubt that at least in the elderly and vulnerable getting vaccinated is an intelligent and rightminded choice, and that not bothering is its opposite. Trying to scare people away from it by exaggerating its harms, making massacre comparisons and calling it 'PREMEDITATED MURDER and a MASSACRE OF THE IMNOCENTS of Biblical proportions' when the young get vaccinated is majorly out there. Another victim of online political drifts that ramp up to the point of hysteria and draw in anyone in love with their own political reflection.
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BlueJay

UK 27 Aug 21 3.08pm

Originally posted by W12

Can a massacre of the innocents ever be for "the greater good", or is this a mass psychosis being used to get people to close their eyes to one of the greatest premeditated murders of all time?

Not for the first time you sound like you've totally lost it. By all means have a view on the vaccine, or reject it personally, but it is well beyond doubt that at least in the elderly and vulnerable getting vaccinated is an intelligent and rightminded choice, and that not bothering is its opposite. Trying to scare people away from it by exaggerating its harms, making massacre comparisons and calling it 'PREMEDITATED MURDER and a MASSACRE OF THE IMNOCENTS of Biblical proportions' when the young get vaccinated is majorly out there. Another victim of online political drifts that ramp up to the point of hysteria and draw in anyone in love with their own political reflection.

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BlueJay UK 27 Aug 21 3.10pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Last reply because W12 is just showing to be another dumb Antivaxer. It's not worth the effort with people like you. Clearly again you have shown to have not looked into any of the information regarding any of the vaccines. I stated about Novavax you come back with the same misinformation about it lumping it together with all the other types. Read the literature it is very clear to see this does not use experimental methods it uses the same methods tried and tested for decades. Please go and get an education you have no fn clue what you are on about causation which another word you clearly do not understand. cause and effect if you can not prove the cause you are guessing the effect this is what you are doing. I have a headache well that must be the vaccine no it could be 1 from a thousand of different reasons which is why you prove the cause. Self reporting is the same as questionnaire studies you cant take to much of the data serious because again as described above. If people ended up in hospital because of these reasons further investigation would be done but we are not really seeing that. Experts are disagreeing because a lot of it is based of the same misinformation you are spreading which is from epidemiology and association this is not real science I already explained to you what that is cause/effect not effect and guess what the cause is. Im not going to comment on the Bill Gates hearsay it is for people who really do lack any IQ. Fair play mort. I've been on the receiving end a time or twelve myself but at least your interest is based in the health and science, not politics.
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BlueJay

UK 27 Aug 21 3.10pm