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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 10 Sep 20 7.35pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Pacta sunt servanda [agreements must be kept] = the foundation of prosperous future relations.Ē

A lot of damage has been done here.

Aren't you a good little boy, dutifily parroting your EU President?

Clausula rebus sic stantibus - [Go f*** your intransigent controlling political project] = the very next clause in the Vienna Treaty

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There is a mountain of evidence to demonstrate that the EU have acted against the WA, in spirit and in practice. Not least, it is refusing to negotiate an FTA without preconditions.

Notwithstanding any of this, they willingly ratifed the treaty upon the UK implementation of it passing into UK law. That includes Article 38 of the Act. Do you know what that Article states? Do they know what that Article states? For a "rules-based organisation" (yeah, when it suits them), do you think they didn't scrutinise the Bill that was passed, as they are now doing with the current bill? Not a leg to stand on.

Funny how we're all suddenly experts on international law, with legal standpoints entirely aligned to how much we want the UK to fail as a sovereign nation outside of the EU, hmm? Having just read today's article by Martin Howe QC (my go-to for the various constitutional maladies the EU have inflicted upon us), and I'm quite happy. And even more keen for us to rip the f***ing WA up. All of it, preferably.

...and now we have "three weeks to... withdraw these measures from the draft Bill in the shortest time possible and in any case by the end of the month.". Just who the f*** do these people think they are? The days of the EU writing direct-effect Directives and zero-debate Regulations into our statute books are over.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Sep 20 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


To be fair, HMG have been quite blatant about their current proposal breaking international law and it is not a good look no matter what. Personally I am fully behind the move because it is the EU who disgust me on a multiple of levels. And given that almost every single British person up in the arms about this are also the t***s who wanted my vote on June 23rd rendered useless, they to can go and f*** themselves. They also disgust me on a multiple of levels as well with my heart pumping piss for them.

But however this pans out, this will not have been this country's finest moment. Sometimes when s*** is s***, you have to accept that even if you are quite happy for it to be flung about.

Edited by Matov (10 Sep 2020 1.50pm)

We haven't actually broken any laws yet though have we.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Sep 2020 7.58pm)

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Sep 20 8.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And if you stopped acting like a naive and brainwashed senior citizen you might also join the real world.

What the average person in East LA (Lower Addiscombe) will be seeing is it's one rule for the powerful and another for the average. Just not a good look, as has been said.

You may not know that as I think you have fallen our of love with East LA these days.

Firstly, I'm not a senior citizen. Second, your grasp of reality is notoriously flimsy. You epitomise the naivety of the Left and the fact that we grew up in the same town makes no difference to me. The place is a dump now as all of the suburbs will be in a few decades. The rules will always be set by the wealthy and powerful. Accept that now and save yourself further pain.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 10 Sep 20 8.11pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Just who the f*** do these people think they are? The days of the EU writing direct-effect Directives and zero-debate Regulations into our statute books are over.


Your anger is fully justified and I agree fully with you but the reality, and the most bloody interesting part of this all, is that the Government have put their hands up and said that yes, their proposal breaks international law.

Key to this is understanding why they are so brazen about it? The EU are going nuts because they see it as a serious snub. That the UK now consider them not even worthy of consideration. And if they want to end the talks over it then the percentage of the country that voted Leave and backed Johnson over it will be cheering to the rafters.

The UK WANTS the EU to throw its toys out of the pram. Their actions are effectively daring them to do so. This is all a very calculated power play designed to make them storm off in a huff. Because then they have to answer to 27 other countries. Many of whom need UK markets more than ever now. Brussels failure to secure a deal plays out badly and severely undermines its authority.

And the final proof is what Labour are saying out it....which is very, very little. They know how this plays out and siding with the EU ain't a good look for them.

Potentially an incredibly clever move. Still a way to go but I am impressed. A possible Ace card being played here. And if anybody thinks it is more of a joker then I am all ears. But make it good. Seriously. No more bulls***.


Edited by Matov (10 Sep 2020 8.13pm)

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 10 Sep 20 8.20pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Should have gone to specsavers, and Jeremy Corbyn.

By now we would have a new agreement which the country could choose or not, or remained if we wished.

And we would have adhered to as countries do normally.

The UK cannot win a trade war with the EU and nobody wishes to trade with a country that breaks its agreements.


 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 10 Sep 20 8.41pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Should have gone to specsavers, and Jeremy Corbyn.

By now we would have a new agreement which the country could choose or not, or remained if we wished.

And we would have adhered to as countries do normally.

The UK cannot win a trade war with the EU and nobody wishes to trade with a country that breaks its agreements.

The absolute sum of sweet f*** all. Come on, you can do better than that.


 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Sep 20 8.44pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Here it is for you Croydon:

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I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Sep 20 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Firstly, I'm not a senior citizen. Second, your grasp of reality is notoriously flimsy. You epitomise the naivety of the Left and the fact that we grew up in the same town makes no difference to me. The place is a dump now as all of the suburbs will be in a few decades. The rules will always be set by the wealthy and powerful. Accept that now and save yourself further pain.

Gosh you are thoughtful

I hadnít realised I am suffering pain

You are over 55 so you count. But I donít actually think I said you are a senior citizen, you just act like one.

Maybe thatís why Croydon is so scary for you.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 10 Sep 20 9.17pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

The absolute sum of sweet f*** all. Come on, you can do better than that.


Sorry to disappoint.

I would call our friends and apologise, and be working all hours to restore good relations.

I wonder if they have some plan for re-entering the EU fast, I would dust that off.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 10 Sep 20 9.20pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Here it is for you Croydon:

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Some good guitar there mate, would have fitted in to the cranberries paris 99 concert well- apparently there best ever concert- beneath the skin- well worth a look when you crack open a beer or ten!

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 10 Sep 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


You should get a van mate and load up all that razor wire, get it on e bay when the fuse is lit, just for private property, not the border stuff! I"m glad i got my Irish passport sorted, might fancy living there and spain/france/portugal one day, even in usa, got a feeling we have had the best years in the uk, (not that we knew), and the working people are going to have ever decreasing change in their pockets! Domonic raabs idea of getting rid of the £7.50 minimum wage so they can pay the citizens of the uk even less being a prime example- that was just a year ago!

Blimey I used to sit in my old local & hear people say this on a weekly basis & the usual uber liberal types all said pretty much the same thing as well when Trump became president.
Well those people are still propping up the bar in Balham & those left wing actors & actresses are still lounging by their pools in Hollywood.

 


Pro USA & Israel

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Sep 20 5.37am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Sorry to disappoint.

I would call our friends and apologise, and be working all hours to restore good relations.

I wonder if they have some plan for re-entering the EU fast, I would dust that off.

I dont recall any politicians stating we would never consider that. Where did you read it was said.

 

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