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Originally posted by W12

Country’s break international law all the time. Including those in the EU block.

They break international law every time an illegal immigrant passes through their country without being registered.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Pacta sunt servanda [agreements must be kept] = the foundation of prosperous future relations.”

A lot of damage has been done here.

This is the only relevant point made in this thread.

Our integrity has been, up to this point, our major stock in trade. What else do have we got that others don't? Keeping our word is why people trust us.

Throw that away and we are in a race to the bottom. There is much more at stake here than Brexit. If there is a problem with the agreement it should have been identified before. Now we must live with it and deal with any issues that arise within it or via further negotiations.

Whether the current batch of MPs have sufficient integrity themselves to stand up and be counted on the side of the righteous remains to be seen but the previous one's all do don't they?

 

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Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

Absolutely... As much as us frontline cops may not of agreed with it, it's whatever suits the popular and often political narrative at the time dictates what orders you get from above.. Not right but just how it was/Is...

Very similar to a lot that goes on in BF. However, unlike the Police ( I assume) most of the Senior Management have no experience in the job and then just move on

 

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I was in Poland last week they have a far lower infection rate than the UK. Like us they had a lockdown but when it ended they were simply told to wear masks in shops, public transport etc.

What I noticed is the high level of compliance I am struggling to remember anybody on the trams, buses, trains etc. who didn't. I assume as they all comply this is why the rate is so low.

My point is that instead of bringing out new and complicated rules on a weekly basis just have one simple rule. Wear a mask and if you don't you get fined. It is a curious thing in Poland they must have the healthiest people in the world, no asthmatics or any form of breathing illnesses otherwise I would have seen more non mask wearers.

Or maybe those people have learned to wear a mask or aren't a bunch of self entitled idiots who claim they can't but provide no proof.

Boris needs to tell the police to enforce the law and fine these people not warn them. We will have a few days of moans about victimisation but once they idiots realise they might be out of pocket they will comply and hopefully drive the infection rate down.

I got back and a neighbour told me she had taken a bus in South London and about half the people on it were not complying. Hopefully those are the idiots who get the virus (justice).

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2020 8.15am)

 


One more point

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[Link]

‘Why you shouldn’t pay your Covid fine’ (& wont have to)

 


COYP

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Sep 20 2.28pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

[Link]

‘Why you shouldn’t pay your Covid fine’ (& wont have to)

So it's 'ultra vires' you can probably refuse.

Or should we say 'ultra virus'

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 23 Sep 20 6.26pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I was in Poland last week they have a far lower infection rate than the UK. Like us they had a lockdown but when it ended they were simply told to wear masks in shops, public transport etc.

What I noticed is the high level of compliance I am struggling to remember anybody on the trams, buses, trains etc. who didn't. I assume as they all comply this is why the rate is so low.

My point is that instead of bringing out new and complicated rules on a weekly basis just have one simple rule. Wear a mask and if you don't you get fined. It is a curious thing in Poland they must have the healthiest people in the world, no asthmatics or any form of breathing illnesses otherwise I would have seen more non mask wearers.

Or maybe those people have learned to wear a mask or aren't a bunch of self entitled idiots who claim they can't but provide no proof.

Boris needs to tell the police to enforce the law and fine these people not warn them. We will have a few days of moans about victimisation but once they idiots realise they might be out of pocket they will comply and hopefully drive the infection rate down.

I got back and a neighbour told me she had taken a bus in South London and about half the people on it were not complying. Hopefully those are the idiots who get the virus (justice).

Edited by Badger11 (23 Sep 2020 8.15am)

Some good common sense. Problem being many are indignant at the very mention of wearing a mask. 'Let's do nothing' isn't a strategy. We don't even know the impact of re-infection at this stage. In the rare cases where that has occurred so far, the symptoms sometimes appear to be significantly 'worse' than the initial infection. Then again for every month that passes where very few are re-infected that's a big plus. We're learning as we go and so it makes sense to take basic steps to control the spread.

If people had good sense and community spirit we'd be in the same situation as many Asian countries, full of people who have little trouble understanding something so basic and adhering to it to the letter. We're
not a Sweden with a 40% single person household rate, we needed to take this stuff seriously. As you rightly say, an ever increasing number of people just can't be bothered anymore, and so we see the result of that. The best way to get through this, economically and healthwise, was always to take straightforward steps like mask wearing seriously and keep things ticking over while the treatment and vaccine picture improved. Instead we get people just doing as they please, amazed that further restrictions are back with us. Personally I'm against further lockdowns as our economy has taken a monumental battering as it is but many clearly haven't helped themselves, or others.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Some good common sense. Problem being many are indignant at the very mention of wearing a mask. 'Let's do nothing' isn't a strategy. We don't even know the impact of re-infection at this stage. In the rare cases where that has occurred so far, the symptoms sometimes appear to be significantly 'worse' than the initial infection. Then again for every month that passes where very few are re-infected that's a big plus. We're learning as we go and so it makes sense to take basic steps to control the spread.

If people had good sense and community spirit we'd be in the same situation as many Asian countries, full of people who have little trouble understanding something so basic and adhering to it to the letter. We're
not a Sweden with a 40% single person household rate, we needed to take this stuff seriously. As you rightly say, an ever increasing number of people just can't be bothered anymore, and so we see the result of that. The best way to get through this, economically and healthwise, was always to take straightforward steps like mask wearing seriously and keep things ticking over while the treatment and vaccine picture improved. Instead we get people just doing as they please, amazed that further restrictions are back with us. Personally I'm against further lockdowns as our economy has taken a monumental battering as it is but many clearly haven't helped themselves, or others.

If all world governments,or most are willing to piss off there voting base imho there is something going on. I was about in the 80s and this financial crisis doesnt get close. This is both predictable and has help. In the 80s it was get on with it.
I think I should do everything to protect others.
If wearing a mask protects 1 person then I will wear a mask. Hopefully someone else will think the same and protect me. Boris said one persons runny nose is someone else's death. Metaphorically.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

If all world governments,or most are willing to piss off there voting base imho there is something going on. I was about in the 80s and this financial crisis doesnt get close. This is both predictable and has help. In the 80s it was get on with it.
I think I should do everything to protect others.
If wearing a mask protects 1 person then I will wear a mask. Hopefully someone else will think the same and protect me. Boris said one persons runny nose is someone else's death. Metaphorically.

Yes, you wouldn't think convincing people to wear a face mask during a pandemic would be a tricky one. Most elderly and vulnerable are doing all they can, keeping their head down, maybe just getting out for a weekly shop. It's not much to ask to do our bit to both protect them and give them a bit of piece of mind. Anyone boldly waddling down an aisle with some kind of 'it's ma right' attitude without a mask on is self interest personified.

 

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You are so right.
I was at a garage co-op yesterday and there were five really chavvy Women outside their cars, way too close together and being generally awful.
Ten mins later two of them just went in to the store without masks and shopped and no one stopped them.
I had left the store at that point but may well have said something had I been in there.
Wear a mask. wash your hands, do your bit when out and about and we have half a chance of not being locked down for the next 6 months but with dicks like this in the UK that is unlikely to be the case and they will be the first ones to complain.
That is why we could never have done a "Sweden" - because of the lack of common sense amongst the masses who think that it doesn't matter and the rules do not apply to them.

 

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If it makes you feel better wear one, personally I only wear one where I absolutely have to, which is where they otherwise won't let me in.

The science is about as rubbish as it gets with face coverings. The same people who said it does not help now say it does help. How did they get around that, oh by saying that a face covering does not protect you, but it helps protect other people. They have not got a clue. As far as I am concerned, if I can smell something through a covering which of course you can, then exactly the same amount of covid is getting sucked in or blown out and is happily floating about in the air. The only circumstance I can see it assisting is if you sneeze or cough and don't have the common courtesy to do it into a tissue or as they previously suggested the crook of your arm.

This virus is not going to go away because people do or do not wear face coverings. It is to salve peoples consciences, nothing else.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

If it makes you feel better wear one, personally I only wear one where I absolutely have to, which is where they otherwise won't let me in.

The science is about as rubbish as it gets with face coverings. The same people who said it does not help now say it does help. How did they get around that, oh by saying that a face covering does not protect you, but it helps protect other people. They have not got a clue. As far as I am concerned, if I can smell something through a covering which of course you can, then exactly the same amount of covid is getting sucked in or blown out and is happily floating about in the air. The only circumstance I can see it assisting is if you sneeze or cough and don't have the common courtesy to do it into a tissue or as they previously suggested the crook of your arm.

This virus is not going to go away because people do or do not wear face coverings. It is to salve peoples consciences, nothing else.

Science has given part of the answer they didn't have a few months back. And clearly you dont want to even try to prevent it spreading.
Will you be sorry if concrete un arguable evidence emerges that they can save lives in which case between then and now you may already have got infected by a non mask wearer or given it to another person. Just wondering what your hang up actually is tbh.

 

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