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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Sep 20 7.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Okay I think I have got my head around this now and I reluctantly agree with the government.

As I understand it in the withdrawal agreement there was a clause that stated that customs border issues between NI and the EU would be settled by a joint UK/EU committee.

The government is now saying that if there is no trade deal the UK will unilaterally make those decisions. I think that is the correct decision if we cannot do a deal with the EU they should not still have a say in our internal UK market. It is the loss of control that they are complaining about.

Hopefully this is a negotiating tactic and we will have a deal in which case this threat go away. However the idea that countries never back out of international treaties is nonsense the Americans do this all the time.

I think the EU still don't believe that we are being serious about our red lines hopefully this will make it clear we are and that from Jan 1 they can no longer interfere in our country.

The alternative is they stop playing silly buggers and start negotiating seriously.

One final comment. Mrs May wanted the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement negotiated and signed at the same time, it was the EU that decided it had to be linear as part of the delaying tactics. They may regret that as they don't have any leverage now.

Anyway lets hope commonsense breaks out on all sides.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Sep 2020 7.40am)

 


One more point

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Sep 20 4.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Gosh you are thoughtful

I hadnít realised I am suffering pain

You are over 55 so you count. But I donít actually think I said you are a senior citizen, you just act like one.

Maybe thatís why Croydon is so scary for you.

No pain, no brain.

I'm a young 55 and Croydon is still a s*** hole. Maybe you just don't realise it because you are still stuck there. I moved away for my kids sake and I'm very glad I did.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Sep 20 4.39pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Breaking the law can be rather a selective activity. A lot of people exceed the speed limit whilst driving, because they either deem it 'safe', or else there are unlikely to be consequences.

For a Government to break the law, they have deemed that the consequences of not doing so would expose the ineptness of Teressa May's 'deal' with the EU.

Being the wife of an American Diplomat, no such moral/practical quandaries apply in such situations.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Sep 2020 4.40pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Sep 20 5.25pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No pain, no brain.

I'm a young 55 and Croydon is still a s*** hole. Maybe you just don't realise it because you are still stuck there. I moved away for my kids sake and I'm very glad I did.

Bang,same as hrolf. I cannot imagine living on shrublands now. Fully gated I heard.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 11 Sep 20 5.33pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I can honestly say that in Central Croydon we haven't had a single problem since lock-down.

The new covid19 marshalls will not have anything to do.

We'll simply hand in our guns and collect them if we ever want to leave, but I doubt if we will.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Sep 20 8.48pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I can honestly say that in Central Croydon we haven't had a single problem since lock-down.

The new covid19 marshalls will not have anything to do.

We'll simply hand in our guns and collect them if we ever want to leave, but I doubt if we will.

What, leave or collect your gun?

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 11 Sep 20 9.03pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Blimey I used to sit in my old local & hear people say this on a weekly basis & the usual uber liberal types all said pretty much the same thing as well when Trump became president.
Well those people are still propping up the bar in Balham & those left wing actors & actresses are still lounging by their pools in Hollywood.

Family responsibilities my friend, family responsibilities, i"m thinking ahead, at-(after trump}.

 

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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Moved Again.. Banstead now Darling... 11 Sep 20 9.51pm Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

People break laws all the time? Ever gone over 70?

It's not the law as much as what the consequences are for breaking it.

The Police regularly ignore the breaking of laws and selectively enforce depending upon their priorities.

Other countries also regularly break international laws.

After reading all the comments on this thread I can freely admit, from experience that it's this with bells on!!

 


Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Sep 20 10.01pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

After reading all the comments on this thread I can freely admit, from experience that it's this with bells on!!

Was it the same during your service?

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Was it the same during your service?

Absolutely... As much as us frontline cops may not of agreed with it, it's whatever suits the popular and often political narrative at the time dictates what orders you get from above.. Not right but just how it was/Is...

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Okay I think I have got my head around this now and I reluctantly agree with the government.

As I understand it in the withdrawal agreement there was a clause that stated that customs border issues between NI and the EU would be settled by a joint UK/EU committee.

The government is now saying that if there is no trade deal the UK will unilaterally make those decisions. I think that is the correct decision if we cannot do a deal with the EU they should not still have a say in our internal UK market. It is the loss of control that they are complaining about.

Hopefully this is a negotiating tactic and we will have a deal in which case this threat go away. However the idea that countries never back out of international treaties is nonsense the Americans do this all the time.

I think the EU still don't believe that we are being serious about our red lines hopefully this will make it clear we are and that from Jan 1 they can no longer interfere in our country.

The alternative is they stop playing silly buggers and start negotiating seriously.

One final comment. Mrs May wanted the withdrawal agreement and the free trade agreement negotiated and signed at the same time, it was the EU that decided it had to be linear as part of the delaying tactics. They may regret that as they don't have any leverage now.

Anyway lets hope commonsense breaks out on all sides.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Sep 2020 7.40am)

That's pretty much it. In order to get a withdrawal agreement May had so sign up to ludicrous proticols over Northern Ireland which pretty much ammounted to the partial annexation of a region of a soverign nation by the EU.

At the time the EU were playing a game with the Irish Boarder where they were making the UK come up with endless solutions to resolve the issue then rejecting every proposal out of hand.

Boris has broken the law, but it's not a criminal act.

The strongest condemnation the EU can come up with is a few statements that this will damage the UK's reputation. What it really does is make the Irish Boarder issues a problem to be solved jointly.

There could be wider implications on the EU. Russia will use it to call the EU hypocritical about the Ukraine.

Somethings got to give, most likely the idea of a level playing field in areas where many EU nations are uposed to giving Ireland concessions because it has a land boarder with the UK for fear they might get a comparitive advantage over other member states.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 15 Sep 20 3.33pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Countryís break international law all the time. Including those in the EU block.

 

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