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View chris123's Profile chris123 Online Flag hove actually 01 Mar 21 3.33pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

He definitely has something over them. Problem is that I am not sure how he can be paid off? They clearly cannot offer him a job in the Scottish Government and not sure what kind of powers they hold in terms of appointing people to international positions (the EU and to a lesser extent NATO where always the great dumping grounds for any problematic political type who knew far too many skeletons in cupboards to just be left by the wayside but neither of them fall under the remit of the Scotch Government).

I think he wants Sturgeon to sweat. To have her, and her husband, dangling on a hook. This is sheer vindictiveness now.

Amusing to watch. Question is does Salmond truly want an independent Scotland or does he loath Wee Nicky so much that he will effectively destroy her and potentially damage the SNP for years to come?

Scottish politics is a toxic cess-pool at the best of times so I am going for the almost Shakespearian drama of it all and Salmond looking to destroy the top echelons of the SNP. It already has structural problems in terms of opposition to its wokeness so this could split it in half.

However, and this is me going out on a limb here, I wonder if Westminster is dangling a lucrative job in front of Salmond's nose? Wheels within wheels.

And having his own Highland Clearance no doubt.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

He definitely has something over them. Problem is that I am not sure how he can be paid off? They clearly cannot offer him a job in the Scottish Government and not sure what kind of powers they hold in terms of appointing people to international positions (the EU and to a lesser extent NATO where always the great dumping grounds for any problematic political type who knew far too many skeletons in cupboards to just be left by the wayside but neither of them fall under the remit of the Scotch Government).

I think he wants Sturgeon to sweat. To have her, and her husband, dangling on a hook. This is sheer vindictiveness now.

Amusing to watch. Question is does Salmond truly want an independent Scotland or does he loath Wee Nicky so much that he will effectively destroy her and potentially damage the SNP for years to come?

Scottish politics is a toxic cess-pool at the best of times so I am going for the almost Shakespearian drama of it all and Salmond looking to destroy the top echelons of the SNP. It already has structural problems in terms of opposition to its wokeness so this could split it in half.

However, and this is me going out on a limb here, I wonder if Westminster is dangling a lucrative job in front of Salmond's nose? Wheels within wheels.

Another good post Matov and you are correct Peerages, Ambassadors or BBC Chairman or EU has always been a good way of keeping the malcontents quiet but the SNP doesn't have that much pork to dish out.

I suspect that Alex will do a Samson and bring down the temple and bugger the consequences. As others have said Nationalists tend to be just this side of fanatics.

 


One more point

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Mar 21 3.52pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

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Not proven, entirely different to not guilty. Both exist in Scottish Law. Also was only charged on a selection of cases. There were eight women who had made allegations in total. They can't have all been Sturgeon's stooges - or could they? I've always thought the whole episode a bit fishy.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.

When will Burnham Wood move to Dunsinane?

They are all locked in and cannot get free without damaging themselves.

On the charges AS was found not guilty on all of them, a prosecution of 14 charges it is a difficult stretch of the imagination to concede that they were not made with malign intent.

All it needs is a scottish goalkeeper.

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Whichever side's got Jim Leighton acting for their defence have had it

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Mar 21 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Its an updated version of Macbeth.



LOL. A lot in that. But this kind of quagmire is very, very Scottish. It's a toxic society for a whole raft of reasons, with the lunacy of sectarianism never far from the surface either.

Throw in the 'balance' of a variety of chips on both shoulders and you have a society ideally placed to throw up these kinds of tragedies.

Add the kind of soft-focus view that many on the wider left have endowed onto what is an ardently nationalist organisation and you have this very Shakespearian situation playing out with nobody in England able to actually play the situation to their benefit. The Tories cannot touch it with a barge-pole given the demands for another referendum and Labour are still in a collective sense of shock at losing what was close on to 40 seats it considered 'safe', probably meaning it can never obtain a majority in the UK again.

Lot of twists and turns to play out here.

Edited by Matov (01 Mar 2021 4.57pm)

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Is this a dagger which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.

Lady MacSturgeon.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 01 Mar 21 7.39pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Is this a dagger which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee. I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.

Lady MacSturgeon.

Except I cannot envisage Ms Sturgeon ever getting an attack of the guilts and wandering around trying to wash imaginary blood off her hands.

Far too cold and scheming, even more so than the much-maligned Lady M. Personally I would put her on par with Livia Drusilla of 'I Clavidus' fame.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Surely if they do declare independence in the misguided hope of staying in the EU, just imagine how much we can charge them for using English road and rail networks. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Scots won't go for it unless Sturgeon changes the voting age to include infants.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 02 Mar 21 10.14pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Great Birnam wood is on the move.

And for the less t***ish out there, Wee Nicky is right in the s***. If she survives the week then she is the definition of a Teflon politician.

 


In 1967, when Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take human life, replied: "I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

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Everytime I hear about this SNP falling out between Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon I have to regularly reread his name to stop myself from thinking that it's only inter-fish rivalry.

 


'I can't stand innuendo. If I see one in a script I whip it out immediately.' (Kenneth Williams)

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Things are hotting up.

 

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