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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 18 Feb 22 8.51pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are in a bad place.

Not as bad as living in a constituency where widespread electoral fraud takes place and it is covered up.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Feb 22 9.04pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

How about fraud in Tower Hamlets? Rather more than 3 cases there.

None from the last election and only 3 cases from 2019 the west midlands prosecutions pending.

Electoral fraud is a non-existent tory fantasy.


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 18 Feb 22 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

None from the last election and only 3 cases from 2019 the west midlands prosecutions pending.

Electoral fraud is a non-existent tory fantasy.


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Really?

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Feb 22 9.30pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Really?

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The December 2019 election TE, your link is old and refers to the 2014 election.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 18 Feb 22 9.33pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Oh dear try again.

65% are either a bit dissatisfied or a lot dissatisfied.

You didn't write if they were satisfied. You said if they thought the UK had benefitted. 52% clearly think a bit no matter how small.
Your spinning your own post now.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 18 Feb 22 9.34pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The December 2019 election TE, your link is old and refers to the 2014 election.

Right. So itís been a non-existent Tory fantasy ever since then.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Feb 22 8.09am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You didn't write if they were satisfied. You said if they thought the UK had benefitted. 52% clearly think a bit no matter how small.
Your spinning your own post now.

I give up

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Feb 22 12.28pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Right. So itís been a non-existent Tory fantasy ever since then.

From memory, was not most of the Tory party Remain?

Those currently in power are either line-towers and/or self-advancers or are from the minority populist right of the party.

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

From memory, was not most of the Tory party Remain?

Those currently in power are either line-towers and/or self-advancers or are from the minority populist right of the party.

Not quite.

Tory voters and membership overwhelmingly pro Brexit.

I think around 100 MPs were firm Brexit a lot of the MPs were not committed or were slightly pro Remain (line towers) and then about 30 were firm Remainers who either left the party or retired before the 2019 election.

Boris' main achievement as party leader (not PM) was that he kicked out the rebels and united and aligned his MPs with the party membership and Tory voters which was overwhelmingly pro Brexit.

Corbyn's problem and Starmers is that the leadership / MPs and party members were and are still split between the two camps. If Labour adopts a Rejoin position this will cause problems if they still accept Brexit it will cause problems.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Feb 22 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The EU are a disgrace and are currently trying to interfere in both Hungary's and Poland's elective politics.

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Feb 22 2.05pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Not quite.

Tory voters and membership overwhelmingly pro Brexit.

I think around 100 MPs were firm Brexit a lot of the MPs were not committed or were slightly pro Remain (line towers) and then about 30 were firm Remainers who either left the party or retired before the 2019 election.

Boris' main achievement as party leader (not PM) was that he kicked out the rebels and united and aligned his MPs with the party membership and Tory voters which was overwhelmingly pro Brexit.

Corbyn's problem and Starmers is that the leadership / MPs and party members were and are still split between the two camps. If Labour adopts a Rejoin position this will cause problems if they still accept Brexit it will cause problems.

Yes slip meant to sY parliamentary party... but you reckon even that's wrong.

Both parties are likely to be plagued by brexit for years.

Labour you sum up well. The hard left are pretty much leave to a man (that inconvenient fact the right hate) so lurching back to back-in will hand red wall to the Tories for years.

Tories you can bank on grassroots populist support so long as you remain leave EU bashing anti immigration etc. However you alienate a sizeable % of liberal leaning pragmatists who may not want to lie down with populists.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Feb 22 3.03pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Brexit has been quite advantageous to the EU.

And the EU were probably quite happy we finally left, in particular as the divorce deal overwhelmingly favoured the EU.

Emigration of businesses and professionals to the EU have benefitted them and the excess bureaucracy is minor compared to that which the UK has inflicted on itself.

Brexit will have major repercussions here for years but not in the EU.

And NI has experienced a dramatic increase in trade with Ireland, the NI protocol is not unpopular and DUP candidates are getting the bird wherever they speak.


 

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