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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 Apr 21 6.55am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Cameron asked for reform and was shut out. He even told the eu that a in/out vote wouldn't happen if they bent a little. being in the eu clearly wasn't a strong enough position.

Agreed we tried to reform from within and failed the EU will have to come to that decision on their own.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Apr 21 7.03am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The comprehensive system is perfectly practical and overall produces a better result for more people than the older one. There is no reason whatsoever that a gifted child cannot be challenged and encouraged to achieve their full potential in this system. It just demands efficient management and appropriate investment. It's these which have been missing. Underfunding is the problem. Not the system itself.

The system was pretty shonky in the 70ís when it was a miserable experience for all involved. Streaming meant a lot of kids were more or less abandoned. CSEs were a waste of time.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The comprehensive system is perfectly practical and overall produces a better result for more people than the older one. There is no reason whatsoever that a gifted child cannot be challenged and encouraged to achieve their full potential in this system. It just demands efficient management and appropriate investment. It's these which have been missing. Underfunding is the problem. Not the system itself.

We will have to disagree. It was a reduction of standards in pursuit of the fantasy of social equality.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 21 1.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Cameron asked for reform and was shut out. He even told the eu that a in/out vote wouldn't happen if they bent a little. being in the eu clearly wasn't a strong enough position.

So Cameron and the Tory grandees gave in and decided to risk the referendum in order to save the Tory Party.

It was a massive miscalculation which will set the country back decades. It was an abdication of their duty as citizens. One in which they put Party above Country and one for which they won't be forgiven by me or many others who walk on the middle path.

That the EU also miscalculated was no reason for us to also be stupid. We needed to show patience, understanding but most of all tenacity to keep on making the arguments. When you are right eventually the mists clear and you get the job done.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So Cameron and the Tory grandees gave in and decided to risk the referendum in order to save the Tory Party.

It was a massive miscalculation which will set the country back decades. It was an abdication of their duty as citizens. One in which they put Party above Country and one for which they won't be forgiven by me or many others who walk on the middle path.

That the EU also miscalculated was no reason for us to also be stupid. We needed to show patience, understanding but most of all tenacity to keep on making the arguments. When you are right eventually the mists clear and you get the job done.

So you don't think the thought was for the people and the good of the UK. if apathy had a part to play that got brexit across the line then don't preach about how stupid it was to anyone who voted. Tell the ones who didn't. We are 4 months in and already some can see the future! Amazing how they can't see the future if we stayed in the eu.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 15 Apr 21 3.24pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So you don't think the thought was for the people and the good of the UK. if apathy had a part to play that got brexit across the line then don't preach about how stupid it was to anyone who voted. Tell the ones who didn't. We are 4 months in and already some can see the future! Amazing how they can't see the future if we stayed in the eu.

4 months in already? Thats music to my ears, 8 weeks to go and counting.........

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 21 6.21pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So you don't think the thought was for the people and the good of the UK. if apathy had a part to play that got brexit across the line then don't preach about how stupid it was to anyone who voted. Tell the ones who didn't. We are 4 months in and already some can see the future! Amazing how they can't see the future if we stayed in the eu.

No I most certainly don't. No-one at the top of the Tory Party wanted, or expected, that the vote would go that way. Their motivation was solely to get rid of the UKIP problem as they feared that there would be sufficient drift to let Labour back in and for their future to be questionable.

That a bunch of hardworking arch anti-Europeans existed is obvious. They have been there for decades. That apathy existed was equally obvious but also both understandable and predictable. It's always easier to promote change and jam tomorrow than it is to promote the status quo.

Now we see the result when the promises and expectations have to be turned into realities.

If any now see a future that is better than the past then I don't encounter them. Come and talk to some of our local fishermen and you will realise just how let down they feel. If the vote was held again now I would wager my house against a penny the result would be the other way. That sweet jam has been shown to actually be a very bitter marmalade. We have all been fooled by sweet promises in the past. Some of us though are wise enough to recognise them as being empty before the event.

Decisions of this kind ought not be allowed to be impacted by the jam tomorrow syndrome. They are just too important to become political footballs. They always need to be taken in Parliament, by those we have elected to study and consider all the issues.

 

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I clicked on this thread to read about Shirley Williams but appear to have found Brexit and the EU!

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

4 months in already? Thats music to my ears, 8 weeks to go and counting.........

10 weeks.....

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag Chatham 15 Apr 21 7.06pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No I most certainly don't. No-one at the top of the Tory Party wanted, or expected, that the vote would go that way. Their motivation was solely to get rid of the UKIP problem as they feared that there would be sufficient drift to let Labour back in and for their future to be questionable.

That a bunch of hardworking arch anti-Europeans existed is obvious. They have been there for decades. That apathy existed was equally obvious but also both understandable and predictable. It's always easier to promote change and jam tomorrow than it is to promote the status quo.

Now we see the result when the promises and expectations have to be turned into realities.

If any now see a future that is better than the past then I don't encounter them. Come and talk to some of our local fishermen and you will realise just how let down they feel. If the vote was held again now I would wager my house against a penny the result would be the other way. That sweet jam has been shown to actually be a very bitter marmalade. We have all been fooled by sweet promises in the past. Some of us though are wise enough to recognise them as being empty before the event.

Decisions of this kind ought not be allowed to be impacted by the jam tomorrow syndrome. They are just too important to become political footballs. They always need to be taken in Parliament, by those we have elected to study and consider all the issues.

Do you remember when we went in the common market.
I don't as i was a nipper. Was it all plain sailing after 14 weeks?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Apr 21 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Do you remember when we went in the common market.
I don't as i was a nipper. Was it all plain sailing after 14 weeks?

I was 29 and so far as I recall it was pretty plain sailing and regarded by most as a golden opportunity. Only those who regarded it as "us giving up our Sovereignty" seemed unhappy, and they went on being unhappy until Brexit. It was always a fake argument with only emotional consequences but there are still those who put such things above the welfare and prosperity of their fellow citizens.

I know which side of this argument Shirley Williams stood on and with her passing we have lost another voice of reason.

Now we are likely to witness the break-up of the UK, which would probably have been avoided without Brexit. Is that really a price worth paying? Political systems evolve to suit altered environments and all I ever saw from the Brexiteers was fear of progress, rather than an embrace of it. Baroness Williams must have viewed the last few years with great sadness.

 

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Originally posted by The Dolphin

I clicked on this thread to read about Shirley Williams but appear to have found Brexit and the EU!


Unfortunately whichever thread you click on here either ends up as Brexit or some race issue.

 


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