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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 03 Oct 21 4.14am Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Poland has 60% of the UK population and a driver shortage of 124,000. What would that figure be if all those drivers hadnít gone home? EU membership hasnít helped them much.

Even using the worst case scenario , they still have a better percentage than us TED! A French friend of mine told me the current joke they are using, "due to the lack of turkeys this christmas , (unless from Poland and Brasil that bojo is begging for), what are the british going to put on their christmas dinner of carrots, parsnips, broccoli and potatoes? Laughing stock!

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 03 Oct 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I had dinner last night with someone who employs HGV drivers and in his mind the reasons are many and have created a perfect storm - everything we have read about and more.
He has class 1 & 2 drivers but has very few class 1 lorries and those drivers would prefer to drive smaller stuff with him locally than go off - even now - and earn better money.
Brexit, Pandemic, retirements - much of it due to the pandemic, lack of facilities and in these covid times even fewer that they can use, the DVLA and the amount of licenses being held up because civil servants just are not working and the list goes on.
Also every 5 years - take a week off to do a course to learn how to drive the truck you have been driving for years and pay a huge fee on top of a loss of wages just to do that.
The pandemic one way or another - in his mind - is the root cause of most of it because of the knock on effects.

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Oct 21 8.15am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Even using the worst case scenario , they still have a better percentage than us TED! A French friend of mine told me the current joke they are using, "due to the lack of turkeys this christmas , (unless from Poland and Brasil that bojo is begging for), what are the british going to put on their christmas dinner of carrots, parsnips, broccoli and potatoes? Laughing stock!

Not sure about that CP - a higher shortage for a lower population?
In any case going without something we only eat once a year isnít much of a price to pay if it helps stop working class people being exploited.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 03 Oct 21 8.24am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not sure about that CP - a higher shortage for a lower population?
In any case going without something we only eat once a year isnít much of a price to pay if it helps stop working class people being exploited.

And chicken tastes nicer than turkey anyway imo.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Oct 21 8.40am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

And chicken tastes nicer than turkey anyway imo.

And turkey gives you wind. Iím still letting fly after last Christmas.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 03 Oct 21 9.39am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Brexit will force employers to improve conditions and pay to help the recruitment of staff. There will be more opportunities for British people and more encouragement for them to take jobs that were previously undesirable.
Commerce will quickly find a solution to shortages all the time products are available at source because they can make more money. That always drives innovation better than anything.

Charming theory Hrolf but not working in practice. Your fellow countrymen will not do the work.

And you talk free market but you are the strongest advocate against free movement of labour on this site.

And with your views informed by a Britain for the British angle it is a view that ignores the fact that our empire and ongoing wealth would not have occurred without the influx of fresh blood. It is unarguable that we all have pesky foreign blood coursing through our veins including you.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Oct 21 9.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Charming theory Hrolf but not working in practice. Your fellow countrymen will not do the work.

And you talk free market but you are the strongest advocate against free movement of labour on this site.

And with your views informed by a Britain for the British angle it is a view that ignores the fact that our empire and ongoing wealth would not have occurred without the influx of fresh blood. It is unarguable that we all have pesky foreign blood coursing through our veins including you.

Yup British workers too good to do the menial jobs let johnny foreigner do them, music to the ears of the big bosses.

HGV shortages predate Brexit and whilst it hasn't helped the fault lies with the employers we did not know the full details of the Brexit deal but the government made it very clear early on that post Brexit unskilled labour would not be imported.

Any business that relied on unskilled labour should have responded to that instead they did nothing now they are wringing their hands.

As for the unemployed the government needs to take action there are jobs and these people should take them until they can find their dream job.

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 03 Oct 21 5.52pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not sure about that CP - a higher shortage for a lower population?
In any case going without something we only eat once a year isnít much of a price to pay if it helps stop working class people being exploited.

You"re right Ted, Poland are higher, but I think they are the exception, Germany are a lot better off with a 20 million surplus on our population. If we do get long term higher rates for the working man, thats great, but it wasn"t the aim of these in charge, just happening because of the shortage which they didn"t for see. As for turkey, it"s a must have at christmas, compared to chicken, great cold and makes great soup at the end of the festivities!

 

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Originally posted by silvertop

Charming theory Hrolf but not working in practice. Your fellow countrymen will not do the work.

And you talk free market but you are the strongest advocate against free movement of labour on this site.

And with your views informed by a Britain for the British angle it is a view that ignores the fact that our empire and ongoing wealth would not have occurred without the influx of fresh blood. It is unarguable that we all have pesky foreign blood coursing through our veins including you.

It's already working. Wages are increasing.
As for my blood. It is as British as British gets along with the majority of people. Get your facts straight. Most people only have foreign genes from hundreds to thousands of years ago. The 'new' stuff was insignificant or only arrived here in the last 70 years.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 21 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Brexit will force employers to improve conditions and pay to help the recruitment of staff. There will be more opportunities for British people and more encouragement for them to take jobs that were previously undesirable.
Commerce will quickly find a solution to shortages all the time products are available at source because they can make more money. That always drives innovation better than anything.

That sounds like lines from Johnson's upcoming keynote speech to the Tory Party conference. The trouble is it is so full of holes, it doesn't have a chance of floating. Other than on a lake of Daily Mail readers.

It's cloud-cuckoo-land to imagine we have either a pool of potential British people just waiting for an uplift in pay and conditions to grab these jobs, or that the training resources exist to prepare them if there was.

Any improvement arising from this kind of solution is very long term at best, and uncertain for sure. Eventually they may help, as might a shift to rail, where practical, along with technology.

We though have immediate problems. How do you think they can be solved?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 03 Oct 21 10.57pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You"re right Ted, Poland are higher, but I think they are the exception, Germany are a lot better off with a 20 million surplus on our population. If we do get long term higher rates for the working man, thats great, but it wasn"t the aim of these in charge, just happening because of the shortage which they didn"t for see. As for turkey, it"s a must have at christmas, compared to chicken, great cold and makes great soup at the end of the festivities!

The smell of turkey bones being boiled to make soup after several days of eating leftovers in every conceivable way is not one I cherish but Christmas Day day tea of cold turkey, spuds, stuffing, etc, with piccalilli, red cabbage & pickled onions is a happy memory. Turkeys must have been much bigger back then!

 

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View martinelliff's Profile martinelliff Flag Staffordshire 03 Oct 21 11.37pm Send a Private Message to martinelliff Add martinelliff as a friend

The difference between us and Poland is that they can easily draft in foreign workers from one of the other 26 countries in the EU where the shortage is not so bad. That's what makes our situation worse than theirs. It will take a long time to rebalanced the UK economy and there will be a lot of large bumps in the road. Stock up on pasta, flour, bog roll and firewood. At least middle Englanders can participate in their favourite pastime of moaning for a good few years. The Mogg said it would be 50 years.


Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Poland has 60% of the UK population and a driver shortage of 124,000. What would that figure be if all those drivers hadnít gone home? EU membership hasnít helped them much.

 

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