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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Oct 21 11.30pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Due to poor government planning it looks like we've exchanged it for expensive labour imported without a care of the effects.

As for housing, certainly immigration plays a part in that, however the number of houses built even without that is pitiful.

I think we need to accept that government prefer and indeed intended (and still intend) for housing prices to spiral out of control. Cheap Llabour (more often from outside of the EU) will continue, and there will be no meaningful effort to build enough houses to make a dent in demand.

They are pushing for a renter nation. That's not a criticism of Brexit mind you, and this is I expect the intention whether in or out of the EU. Other than what Brexit symbolically means to people, I have come to think that the government and their mates will do all that can be personally profit from the changes it brings, and nothing of substance or benefit will filter through to Joe Public. As per usual.

Yes this is possible. But just who are the landlords? It will be left wing as well as right wing voters accumulating property. Just one side aren’t hypocrites about it. Unless we’re okay with the Chinese owning all our accommodation as well. Why not? We’re willing to roll over on everything else. We’ve shown we’re ripe for invasion for a while. Perhaps this is the modern war and white flag we’ll probably wave like the pathetic lot we’ve become.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 05 Oct 21 11.50pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes this is possible. But just who are the landlords? It will be left wing as well as right wing voters accumulating property. Just one side aren’t hypocrites about it. Unless we’re okay with the Chinese owning all our accommodation as well. Why not? We’re willing to roll over on everything else. We’ve shown we’re ripe for invasion for a while. Perhaps this is the modern war and white flag we’ll probably wave like the pathetic lot we’ve become.

A mixed bag politically no doubt, but generally people who are very well off will have bigger portfolios and be closer to the ear of politicians. Politicians themselves are often landlords are so unfortunately have skin in the game. I would like to believe that there is the will in some quarters to do something about this problem, but feel that a tipping has has been reached where even many home owners are happy with it (seeing their home as a shrewd financial move, rather than a place to rest their head).

You make some good points and of course today we also see that billions of pounds worth of (often empty) properties are owned by a rogues gallery of types through shell accounts. No surprise of course, but telling that the government is always 'looking into it' rather than doing anything about actually forcing disclosure of who owns what. So any person or nation can already make the situation worse if they so desire.

I'm support any party that changed housing roles to the extent that many thousands of small, basic but perfectly liveable housing units could be built. Very basic starter homes if you like, that would at least offer people options rather than getting screwed over by a life of renting with nothing to show for it (where people do not want to rent of course), and would also put a bit of downward pressure of house prices for a change. This is perfectly doable, but of course won't happen.


 

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 07 Oct 21 12.32am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Then those sneaky Belgians left with out telling anyone

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You always need to question what you read. The Tories love it when you just suck it up. I question what I read and don't just suck it up.

Firstly, the article points out that:

Febetra pointed to the United Kingdom, where the consequences of a shortage of lorry drivers are evident, as the country is facing fuel shortages and empty shelves in supermarkets are seen because they cannot be supplied.

Secondly, the article points out that:

In the meantime, Carrefour shops across Belgium are still experiencing issues following a strike at the Logistics Nivelles distribution centre at the start of the week.

So workers are going for better wages presumably. Good on them.
But I haven't been sucked up your propaganda piece that insults my intelliegence.

 

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 07 Oct 21 12.42am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This country better get used to shortages because our infrastructure will soon begin to fail under the weight of so many immigrants arriving legal and illegal.

Don't say you weren't warned. Blaming Brexit is pure politics.
The real problem is a reliance on cheap foreign labour and rapidly increasing numbers of people to service.

Just like ancient Rome.

You do not know what you are talking about. The article was showing a picture that referred to the (definately BREXs***) problems in the UK but was actually due to a Belgian strike. You Brexiters grabbed it like flotsum in a f***ing storm but it is as real as the bus rubbish you gullible sillies.

Also Your immigration rant does not belong in the world of things that are true. We have been supposedly drowning under the weight of immigration since the 50s.

Personally I am ok with the good things immigration brings and they out weigh the bad.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 07 Oct 21 12.45am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

It's not my propaganda piece.

It is a news website and magazine based in Brussels.

I don't think the Tories have any editorial influence.

The point is that countries that did not leave the EU are suffering similar shortages , in this case HGV drivers, as the UK.

I am glad you haven't been sucked up, and if there is any insult regarding intelligence it's your inability to spell the word correctly.

Originally posted by Bert the Head

You always need to question what you read. The Tories love it when you just suck it up. I question what I read and don't just suck it up.

Firstly, the article points out that:

Febetra pointed to the United Kingdom, where the consequences of a shortage of lorry drivers are evident, as the country is facing fuel shortages and empty shelves in supermarkets are seen because they cannot be supplied.

Secondly, the article points out that:

In the meantime, Carrefour shops across Belgium are still experiencing issues following a strike at the Logistics Nivelles distribution centre at the start of the week.

So workers are going for better wages presumably. Good on them.
But I haven't been sucked up your propaganda piece that insults my intelliegence.

 


A lie will travel half way around the world before the truth has got it's shoes on.

When conceited septuagenarians opine , best to ignore.

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 07 Oct 21 12.52am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

You mean the infrastructure that's designed, built, and maintained by a Labour force that's reliant on immigration?

Lol.

If you let the government destroy unions and let the papers destroy any talk of oppositon what is left?

We had much higher immigration in the 50s but the immigrants mainly came into unionised jobs. There was a labour shortage then too, after the war, but because working class people were not dumbed down by a Tory press and knew what the neoliberalism actually meant they were not fooled.

Now a significant minority of working people actually believe a man that loves Thatcher, was a member of the austerity cabinet and is essentially a believer in neoliberalism will bring high wages through a few jokes.

Sad f***s


 

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 07 Oct 21 12.54am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

It's not my propaganda piece.

It is a news website and magazine based in Brussels.

I don't think the Tories have any editorial influence.

The point is that countries that did not leave the EU are suffering similar shortages , in this case HGV drivers, as the UK.

I am glad you haven't been sucked up, and if there is any insult regarding intelligence it's your inability to spell the word correctly.

 

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View Bert the Head's Profile Bert the Head Flag Epsom 07 Oct 21 1.21am Send a Private Message to Bert the Head Add Bert the Head as a friend

Originally posted by Bert the Head

You have posted a lie because you are desperate to believe in a lie to protect a lie.

Keep sucking up those lies if it makes you happy. Good luck to you. A friend of mine did mushroom for 18 months and was perfectly happy with his version of what was what. Crazy as a march hare but happy to discuss and put forward his ideas on the ways things were. I didn't buy his story and I certainly don't buy yours.

For clarity: the article you posted to disingenuously prove that the countries in Europe were also suffering supply problems was showing shelves empty because of a strike in Belgium.


 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

This Tory propaganda piece will annoy people:

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This guy is not helping the situation either:

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Edited by ASCPFC (07 Oct 2021 1.46pm)

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 07 Oct 21 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Bert the Head

If you let the government destroy unions and let the papers destroy any talk of oppositon what is left?

We had much higher immigration in the 50s but the immigrants mainly came into unionised jobs. There was a labour shortage then too, after the war, but because working class people were not dumbed down by a Tory press and knew what the neoliberalism actually meant they were not fooled.

Now a significant minority of working people actually believe a man that loves Thatcher, was a member of the austerity cabinet and is essentially a believer in neoliberalism will bring high wages through a few jokes.

Sad f***s


I've tried to find stats on that but couldn't in the limited time I did it for.

However, it can be said that the post war immigration was controversial as is the argument that it was required....except for a low wage economy as I find your contention that it was for mostly union jobs point doubtful....in reality it would have been mixed along the lower wage employment areas.

Regardless the statistics for net immigration in the UK from 75 can be seen here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Oct 2021 2.32pm)

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 07 Oct 21 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

This Tory propaganda piece will annoy people:

[Link]

This guy is not helping the situation either:

[Link]

Edited by ASCPFC (07 Oct 2021 1.46pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 07 Oct 21 3.47pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

This Tory propaganda piece will annoy people:

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This guy is not helping the situation either:

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Edited by ASCPFC (07 Oct 2021 1.46pm)


The bloke in the second link, Jacob, is someone I can admire. Some might say, in a crisis like we are having in gb, that any HGV driver, with a few months to spare, should be in his cab , delivering fuel, turkeys and vegetables to keep our old folks alive! This guy is taking on a challenge instead, rowing the Atlantic, some might consider it a jolly-not me! To share in this epic achievement, Jacob is allowing you to pay for it, with a crowdfunding page, this is solely so you can say you had a hand in it, sharing the spoils so to speak! This brings me on to a challenge I have always considered myself, after one of my great heroes, Fletcher Christian-of the bounty fame! My -or "our" challange, as you will find out, is to see if I can survive, for a whole year, on the Pitcairn islands, in the South Pacific! Your generous donations h.o.l will be for me to sleep within 200 meters of the beach, whether in a hammock in the afternoon siesta, or one of the beach houses past the white sand! I will only be allowed to drink rum and beer on a night, no more than 30 measures a day, eat lobster, fish or crab, apart from a few roast beef /chicken dinners on a weekend, and tortilla chips to complement the beer. The local ladies will help me with any chores I need doing, so your money will be finding its way in to the islands community- this can drip down in to schools and hospitals etc! The only things i can do in the beach houses is watch tv(even palace), read books, watch films(even the bounty), drink, socialise and sleep! I think £100 each as a donation should get me up and running, you can give more as you see how i"m getting on as I will be posting on a monthly link to let you know I"m ok, fingers crossed, and haven"t drowned coming off the jet ski etc, give generously people, this is a challange that WE are truly ALL IN IT TOGETHER! CP X

 

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