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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 04 Oct 21 10.21am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's already working. Wages are increasing.
As for my blood. It is as British as British gets along with the majority of people. Get your facts straight. Most people only have foreign genes from hundreds to thousands of years ago. The 'new' stuff was insignificant or only arrived here in the last 70 years.

And where's the arbitrary cut off point? That's one issue I have with nationalism. If you are descended from the Huguenots you are British. If from 1st generation Latvians you are foreign. If from the 50,000 Poles who settled here after the War..?

On the main topic, this is one argument where the tensions are such that I find it hard to make a firm stance. I am still to be convinced that Brexit has done anything but harm to this country and it will get worse. However, the current driver issue has as much to do with increased working conditions from the origin country of former drivers.

And you are correct in terms of local wages and working conditions. In fact, you had an unlikely ally this morning on this point from a spokesperson from the TUC (always said you were a lefty!). Low wages and awful working conditions were made possible by this country's lax employment protection and allowed foreign workers to be "exploited". Of course, they did not see it as such as they were happy to work for peanuts as it was twice the peanuts they could get picking cabbages in Romania. Unfortunately, with them gone, the farmers and haulers now have to persuade the British workers to take on the jobs on the same terms and the brits are saying "no".

Trouble is, the German Miracle largely existed on Germans (and later Turks) willing to take a cut to work in order to build up to something better. OK they would as they felt lucky just to be alive. However, the current crop of our people seem less inclined to accept those terms, meaning wages rise, inflation rises and businesses at the margin that only survived through "exploitation" going to the wall thereby leading to unemployment or them passing the cost down the chain thus causing further inflation and...

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 04 Oct 21 10.52am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Even using the worst case scenario , they still have a better percentage than us TED! A French friend of mine told me the current joke they are using, "due to the lack of turkeys this christmas , (unless from Poland and Brasil that bojo is begging for), what are the british going to put on their christmas dinner of carrots, parsnips, broccoli and potatoes? Laughing stock!

I think you mean laughing gravy there CP.

Which, to this day, remains the best name for a dog I've ever heard and was the name we gave to our London to Brighton cycling team in 2008.

It was the name of Stan Laurel's dog in the 1930 Laurel and Hardy film Laughing Gravy.

Just thought I'd mention it......

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Oct 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by martinelliff

The difference between us and Poland is that they can easily draft in foreign workers from one of the other 26 countries in the EU where the shortage is not so bad. That's what makes our situation worse than theirs. It will take a long time to rebalanced the UK economy and there will be a lot of large bumps in the road. Stock up on pasta, flour, bog roll and firewood. At least middle Englanders can participate in their favourite pastime of moaning for a good few years. The Mogg said it would be 50 years.


Yes but that doesnít explain the reasons for driver shortages which are occurring in countries still within the EU so canít be entirely Brexit related.
There was a description of J Rees-Mogg on Twitter as ďa ludicrous haunted pencilĒ.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Oct 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

I think you mean laughing gravy there CP.

Which, to this day, remains the best name for a dog I've ever heard and was the name we gave to our London to Brighton cycling team in 2008.

It was the name of Stan Laurel's dog in the 1930 Laurel and Hardy film Laughing Gravy.

Just thought I'd mention it......


Thanks mezzer, we can use laughing gravy to, the jokes on our plate either way!

 

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jeeagles Flag 04 Oct 21 3.19pm

Originally posted by silvertop
Trouble is, the German Miracle largely existed on Germans (and later Turks) willing to take a cut to work in order to build up to something better. OK they would as they felt lucky just to be alive. However, the current crop of our people seem less inclined to accept those terms, meaning wages rise, inflation rises and businesses at the margin that only survived through "exploitation" going to the wall thereby leading to unemployment or them passing the cost down the chain thus causing further inflation and...

I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with sharing a motorway if the current crop of long term British unemployed behind the wheel of 18T trucks. Especially, if they are as bad as the stereotype makes them out to be.

It cost £3k to get an HGV licence. The barrier to entry for anyone who is unemployed is obvious. Perhaps hauliers should start picking up this cost on a loan basis.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Oct 21 4.23pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with sharing a motorway if the current crop of long term British unemployed behind the wheel of 18T trucks. Especially, if they are as bad as the stereotype makes them out to be.

It cost £3k to get an HGV licence. The barrier to entry for anyone who is unemployed is obvious. Perhaps hauliers should start picking up this cost on a loan basis.

I'd rather share the motorway with those guys(if properly trained) driving 40t Artics than some of the stupid idiotic car drivers in the UK. You're about £1k over in your cost to train-up for an LGV license. You have the cost of Provisional license, 5-9 day course(depending on drivers ability/company), Theory Test, Practical Test, CPC oh, not forgetting the medical you need before all of that.

 


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View michaelpearce's Profile michaelpearce Flag grays 05 Oct 21 9.28am Send a Private Message to michaelpearce Add michaelpearce as a friend

Lot of good points i worked in freight forwarding for 8years my son 10 years, we had alot of Romanian drivers for a Italian firm.

Most was only in this country to send money home, all there time off was back to there homelands not uk. this driver shortage has been caused by haulage firms nothing todo with government or brexit They wanted cheap labour,

sorry most foreign drivers have a massive safety issue, alot was over the drink driver limit on a sunday night when they left to go back to italy, we had many lorrys stopped for driving past there driving time as well, this country let alot of drivers go because they wasnt going to work for 10k less for more hours, and at the end of the day trapping wasnt a good family job speed 5 days away from home every week not good

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Oct 21 3.03pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by michaelpearce

Lot of good points i worked in freight forwarding for 8years my son 10 years, we had alot of Romanian drivers for a Italian firm.

Most was only in this country to send money home, all there time off was back to there homelands not uk. this driver shortage has been caused by haulage firms nothing todo with government or brexit They wanted cheap labour,

sorry most foreign drivers have a massive safety issue, alot was over the drink driver limit on a sunday night when they left to go back to italy, we had many lorrys stopped for driving past there driving time as well, this country let alot of drivers go because they wasnt going to work for 10k less for more hours, and at the end of the day trapping wasnt a good family job speed 5 days away from home every week not good

Top blokes for sending money home to support their families, instead of pizzing it away in a pub. And why would they spend time off over here in the lorry cab, or in a cheap hotel, when they could go home to see their kids and mrs? We need top blokes like these in the european calvary we are begging for,they seem sound enough fellas to me!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Oct 21 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Top blokes for sending money home to support their families, instead of pizzing it away in a pub. And why would they spend time off over here in the lorry cab, or in a cheap hotel, when they could go home to see their kids and mrs? We need top blokes like these in the european calvary we are begging for,they seem sound enough fellas to me!

What we need is to not rely on cheap labour and sort opportunities, pay and working conditions out to stop this idiotic cycle. On a personal level, good luck to those who do work and succeed abroad.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Oct 2021 3.40pm)

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Oct 21 3.24pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What we need is to not rely on cheap labour and sort opportunities, pay and working conditions put to stop this idiotic cycle. On a personal level, luck to those who do work and succeed abroad.

Yeah, I totally agree mate .

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Oct 21 4.08pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Transforming Britain into a high-wage economy by taking us through a phase of fuel shortages and supply chain disruptions is such a bold, brilliant strategy from the Tories Iím amazed they never mentioned it until about a week ago.

It's another throw away phrase to tide the voters over and the tory conference.

 

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 05 Oct 21 4.27pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Transforming Britain into a high-wage economy by taking us through a phase of fuel shortages and supply chain disruptions is such a bold, brilliant strategy from the Tories Iím amazed they never mentioned it until about a week ago.

It's another throw away phrase to tide the voters over and the tory conference.

No way, this was the CONservatives master plan about 11 years ago, careful planning by a cunning party, not showing their cards to anyone, stir up a vote, win it, have months/years of turbulance in the country, cancel christmas, shortages of everything from fuel to food, carers to bar staff, fruit pickers to doctors! But, for a while, worker bees wages will have to increase, until they can go back to slave wages, which is bound to happen. Train up enough drivers, straight from school, they will soon out supply the demand, then the zero hours contracts can come out, a CON invention! Strange way to raise wages for the workers, when a half hour meeting with the union rep would suffice, but hey ho, in bunter we trust!

 

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