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 Stirlingsays  07 Nov 22 3.22pm |
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'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.' We were once great and overall improved and taught the world, but by the efforts of a great many we are no longer great. [Tweet Link]
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| Stirlingsays 07 Nov 22 7.25pm |
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Sunak hails 'Climate Change' package: £11.6bn on climate finance Globalism in action.....no one voted for this but this is what happens when installed WEF acolytes rule your country. He talks the language of economic stability while raiding our wealth. Spent 400 billion and then called Truss financially irresponsible for 60 billion. If it wasn't all so tragic it would make me laugh. And this is no rallying cry for the left.....they are an even bigger shower just as desperate for power....they look about as competent as Stevie Wonder driving S bends at SilverStone. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2022 7.36pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 22 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The usual load of hogwash, just contentions that have nothing behind them. You even implicitly admit here that the elites made decisions that were unpopular and not bottom up in the areas they were introduced and implemented them. Which proves the top down argument of 'culture is downstream from law'. Those who make decisions and change the laws are not these mythical bogeymen you call "elites"! They are our MPs, given their responsibilities by us, who are not there to do what you, or anyone else wants. Their responsibility is judge what's in our best interests. Which proves, if any proof is needed, that you don't know what you are talking about and just repeat what you find in dodgy blogs. However, your contention that change is led by 'trends'....Well, WE, there are 'trends' floating around within society all the time. What matters is which ones are backed by money, law and media. I already cited the yellow jackets, I cited the civil rights movement. Both didn't have majority popular support with the only difference being that the ruling establishment supported one and not the other.....I could cite others like Antifa and BLM, but I don't want to spend my time constantly sucking eggs with reality denialists like your good self. Another term for your mythical bogeymen! This time the "ruling establishment", who somehow decide what is worth supporting. How do they do that? Via a WhatsApp group I suppose. It's nonsense. Things get supported on their merit, when their arguments cannot be denied. If that means having to convince a dubious majority of their merits, fine. That's what leaders have to do, and we vote for leaders. Not for followers. Again, culture is downstream from law. Again, it isn't. It's just what you have picked up from someone who thinks it is. I'm willing to hear of any proof you have for any polls showing support at the time for any of the situations I cite.....You won't have any. I don't have any idea what you mean, let alone any time to try to figure it out! I suppose I should say you are entitled to your opinions and leave that at that. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2022 12.09am) I have been busy today doing things that are far more important than responding to this repetitive nonsense that probably isn't even read by anyone else. I will though now add a few remarks to this and to any others, inserted in blocks in the text. It's quickest!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 22 10.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'd say you trying to claim that you are a 'one nation conservative', while supporting what seems to be the entirety of the 'progressives' social beliefs is far more insidious. I'm not currently a member of any political group and haven't been since leaving Ukip so what you think of 'insert A' group matters little to me. I didn't suggest you were. You are though the self appointed spokesperson here for the "dissident right", which, apparently, means anyone to the right of mainstream Conservatives. That, by definition, includes a very wide range of opinions, ranging from the unappealing, through the distasteful and unintelligible to the odious, threatening and violent. Whether you recognise it or not it's a marketing ploy designed to repackage the unacceptable and present it in a new shiny box. Which may fool some into buying it, but once opened the contents are still the same old prejudices and discredited theories. New descriptions for old policies are of no more value than judging a book by its cover If you're going to try and attach the word 'fascist' to the likes of me....and we all know that's what you are trying to do then I'll happy call you a communist and quite frankly some of the ideas you support would have happily fitted right in, especially your authoritarian ones. Strange that on Panorama this evening the MAGA movement, which is as far from communist as it's possible to be, were accused of wanting to lead the USA towards authoritarian government and away from democracy. I fear that has a lot of truth behind it. I'm not really into Mosley, I'm more a Powell guy. Powell was a war hero (fighting the very people you seem eager to attach to those who believe in his ideas) and a brilliant academic. I see him as a visionary and the only politician who stood up against the disastrous choices our elites made. I don't know how old you were when Powell was politically active, or whether you base your opinion on what you have read about him. I lived through his time. I heard what he said, how he said it, and how people reacted. He was unquestionably an intellectual orator, but he was also an ambitious man and a populist before his time. He wound people up, spreading fear and anger, rather than compassion and hope. I don't think he offered any solutions to anything. In truth by stoking resentment he made things worse. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2022 12.04am) Edited by Wisbech Eagle (07 Nov 2022 10.35pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 22 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In the light of this paragraph from the 'social liberal' WE let's remind ourselves of his supported pick Biden, who also shares his attitude towards his opposition. The "he supported Biden" lie surfaces again. I didn't "support" Biden. I supported anyone who would defeat Trump. Getting Trump out of the WH was the over-riding priority. Who it was didn't matter. If Trump had been opposed and defeated as the GOP candidate I would have cheered. Getting rid of Trump was to protect democracy, the justification of which has been amply demonstrated since. [Tweet Link]
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 22 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Cognitive dissonance. There is absolutely no conflict between traditional Conservative values and social progression. Except in the minds of the far right, aka the dissident right, etc, etc.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 22 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.' This is very, very true. Which is why we all need to address things like climate change, tighten our belts and accept the financial crisis will impact us, so it doesn't hurt our children and do our best to ensure we donate them a fair, equitable and progressive society in which they all can prosper, and not just some. We were once great and overall improved and taught the world, but by the efforts of a great many we are no longer great. [Tweet Link]
Lockdowns have impacts. Impacts that with time and effort can be recovered from. Not having lockdowns have worse impacts. Death is final. No recovery possible.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 07 Nov 22 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
See my post at 10.31 pm yesterday. You wrote " As our security services have said that the greatest threat to our democracy comes from the far right" You cannot produce anything that confirms this. You have posted links to a number of reports etc, that is deflection. For the avoidance of doubt you have posted something as a fact which in reality is something you have concluded, or made up. I expect your usual attempt at sophistry to avoid having to accept that you made a mistake or indeed wrote an incorrect and misleading post in an effort to support your narrative. One police officer quoted in the Guardian that " is the fastest growing " is entirely different to what you wrote. That quote in itself is not helpful as " fastest growing " could mean anything. Edited by HKOwen (07 Nov 2022 11.03pm)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Nov 22 2.25am |
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I'm still trying to get my head around the reality that our Conservative government has signed off on bankrolling Nairobi's Railway City project to the tune of £3 Billion while our economy is on its knees and vulnerable people have to face the prospect of eating or heating. For me, it highlights the disconnect between those who hold power and their people. There is a kind of contempt for the national bread and butter and a virtue signalling eagerness to be the globalist 'good boy' amongst the WEF elites.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Nov 22 8.54am |
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It is an amazing decision, people will mostly be really annoyed, those that aren't likely are well off enough not to worry about the cost of living. It demonstrates caring more about being in globalist club as you say, than the hardships of the voters. I cam starting to think there will be a new party that will split the 2019 Conservative vote and Labour may well get in with an overall majority
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Nov 22 9.09am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
You wrote " As our security services have said that the greatest threat to our democracy comes from the far right" You cannot produce anything that confirms this. You have posted links to a number of reports etc, that is deflection. For the avoidance of doubt you have posted something as a fact which in reality is something you have concluded, or made up. I expect your usual attempt at sophistry to avoid having to accept that you made a mistake or indeed wrote an incorrect and misleading post in an effort to support your narrative. One police officer quoted in the Guardian that " is the fastest growing " is entirely different to what you wrote. That quote in itself is not helpful as " fastest growing " could mean anything. Edited by HKOwen (07 Nov 2022 11.03pm) For the avoidance of doubt I followed that up by saying that it came from memory and that, so far, I cannot trace the direct quote which triggered the memory. It might have been in the Times, which I cannot access online. If you think making cheap, pedantic comments scores you a point, fine. Carry on. Actually it's no better than thinking a spelling error invalidates an argument. I have now found this statement from the Director General of MI5, which seems likely to have been the source of the press report I remember. It's illuminating in a variety of ways, not simply on right wing terrorism but also on the level of foreign interference online. Scroll down to the paragraphs on right wing terrorism:- If 10 of the 29 late stage attacks that MI5 thwarted in the previous year came from right wing terrorism, an area that they have only recently taken responsibility for and also say are "progressively finding more indicators of potential threat", and have described elsewhere as a "sadly rising threat", then for it to be described as "the greatest threat to our democracy" is a reasonable conclusion. Threats always referring to future dangers, and not current ones. It wasn't just any old policeman who made the remarks. He is the head of national counter-terrorism policing, Neil Basu. He probably knows what he is talking about. Maybe also look at the this, to see how seriously this is regarded:-
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 08 Nov 22 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For the avoidance of doubt I followed that up by saying that it came from memory and that, so far, I cannot trace the direct quote which triggered the memory. It might have been in the Times, which I cannot access online. If you think making cheap, pedantic comments scores you a point, fine. Carry on. Actually it's no better than thinking a spelling error invalidates an argument. I have now found this statement from the Director General of MI5, which seems likely to have been the source of the press report I remember. It's illuminating in a variety of ways, not simply on right wing terrorism but also on the level of foreign interference online. Scroll down to the paragraphs on right wing terrorism:- If 10 of the 29 late stage attacks that MI5 thwarted in the previous year came from right wing terrorism, an area that they have only recently taken responsibility for and also say are "progressively finding more indicators of potential threat", and have described elsewhere as a "sadly rising threat", then for it to be described as "the greatest threat to our democracy" is a reasonable conclusion. Threats always referring to future dangers, and not current ones. It wasn't just any old policeman who made the remarks. He is the head of national counter-terrorism policing, Neil Basu. He probably knows what he is talking about. Maybe also look at the this, to see how seriously this is regarded:- I cannot see anywhere the statement you claim, threat to democracy . So it's without doubt you have written an opinion as a fact and yet you refuse to own the fabrication. Responsibility Deficit Disorder at work. Perhaps in the future you might consider using words such as " my conclusion is " , or " in my opinion " , perhaps " to the best of my memory ",when you are stating things you have made up. Not to be confused with a spelling mistake or a typo but as predicted you try clumsy sophistry.
Edited by HKOwen (08 Nov 2022 10.14am)
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