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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 3.30pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Apparently, their lies cannot be challenged. I'm taking December off to concentrate on the real world.

I don't blame you. It's becoming increasingly difficult to engage in anything approaching civil discourse with those on the Left at the moment.

I increasingly f***ing loathe them with a passion but they increasingly seek to dominate the 'real world'. This is the point. They will not just leave us alone to live our lives. They want to impose their scummy ways on us, to stop us being able to express any kind of push-back against it.

When you hear stories of people who have their homes raided because of expressing their opions, with all their electronic devices removed (including their kids play-stations and the like) and then held for months at a time before all charges are dropped, you realise that the process has become the punishment.

And our enemy own the process. And they use that against us. Hence why 'Freedom of Speech' is no longer on the table. We don't have that option and I refuse to support our enemies in retaining theirs.


 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 29 Nov 21 4.07pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

It's becoming increasingly difficult to engage in anything approaching civil discourse with those on the Left at the moment.

I increasingly f***ing loathe them with a passion but they increasingly seek to dominate the 'real world'. This is the point. They will not just leave us alone to live our lives. They want to impose their scummy ways on us,

the hard left, the uncompromising bigoted Left....gives birth to the Hard Right. Something they are all too stupid to realise.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the hard left, the uncompromising bigoted Left....gives birth to the Hard Right. Something they are all too stupid to realise.

But maybe those of us on the Right need to wake up as well. This is the point. We are past the point of somehow being able to return to a central position whereby we manage to walk along together, agreeing to disagree whilst remaining amicable. That's gone. Over and done with.

Am I bit over the top with this? Yes and no. I like to try and see what is coming and all I see are huge dark clouds on the political horizon. Perhaps a bit of a downer, I concede but when you look where we are already in terms of the freedom of speech issue, which was always one of the founding principles upon which Western civilisation was meant to be based on, then things can fall apart very quickly.


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 29 Nov 21 5.02pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

But maybe those of us on the Right need to wake up as well. This is the point. We are past the point of somehow being able to return to a central position whereby we manage to walk along together, agreeing to disagree whilst remaining amicable. That's gone. Over and done with.

Am I bit over the top with this? Yes and know. I like to try and see what is coming and all I see are huge dark clouds on the political horizon. Perhaps a bit of a downer, I concede but when you look where we are already in terms of the freedom of speech issue, which was always one of the founding principles upon which Western civilisation was meant to be based on, then things can fall apart very quickly.

Wildly so, yes.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Wildly so, yes.


You would say that. Thats the point. The Left want to try and convince us that nothing is changing, that everything will just muddle along like usual whilst all the time we see the ever-increasing tentacles of Progressive dogma reaching out.

If people want to be like frogs being slowly boiled to death whilst those adding wood to the fire assuring them that it's just a little warm really, then good luck to them. But that ain't for me.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 5.24pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


You would say that. Thats the point. The Left want to try and convince us that nothing is changing, that everything will just muddle along like usual whilst all the time we see the ever-increasing tentacles of Progressive dogma reaching out.

If people want to be like frogs being slowly boiled to death whilst those adding wood to the fire assuring them that it's just a little warm really, then good luck to them. But that ain't for me.

This series of posts from you, and the small band of those who seem to think like you, only go to demonstrate just how far out of touch some people are these days. It would be amusing if it wasn't quite so sad.

You invent enemies to rail against. You see shadows in places where the sun shines. That you claim to be doing it to protect the "white" people from being marginalised only adds to its sadness. No-one hates you. They don't want to push you out. They just want others to be able to join in.

Progression is healthy. It is a natural human development and just part of our evolution as a decent, caring, inclusive society. Only those destined for extinction reject evolution. It has little or nothing to do with left and right politics. It only concerns how we behave as human beings.

I say these things as someone who detests the far left every bit as much as he detests the far right, but who can see the reasons and need for the way we are evolving. There is nothing to be scared of. Embrace the changes and enjoy the new environment which will exist whether you want it or not.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 5.28pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


There is nothing to be scared of. Embrace the changes and enjoy the new environment which will exist whether you want it or not.

Perfect. Sums up the challenge we all face. Comply or rebel. Kudos for the honesty. There is no middle ground so people have to wake up to this.

I know what I choose to do.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 29 Nov 21 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The guy who wants to see religion banned from being promoted thinks he's speaking to extremists.

Matov is highly frustrated and he can't see that it's because of people like him.

I fully understand his frustrations, I just think joining and supporting communities that don't talk down to him and frankly dislike him is a better way to push back against people like WE.

If society breaks down the biggest factor will be economic. What happens after that isn't knowable but we are civilised people and its cause won't have been from our hands.

The neo liberals are fecking it all up without even realising it.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 5.41pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I fully understand his frustrations, I just think joining and supporting communities that don't talk down to him and frankly dislike him is a better way to push back against people like WE.


Problem is that whilst I do understand where you are coming from on this, the reality is that they will not let these communities thrive. At best, they will be tolerated but only as long as they can still be given a beating from time to time. It effectively becomes like a form of serfdom akin to say the plight of non-Muslims living under the Ottomans or Red Injuns in Reservations.

I get the attraction but it is not the answer. The split has to be far more decisive, embracing separate legal and political systems. Now how that comes about, there is the rub and I genuinely fear the Progressive Left will not allow it to happen peacefully but we cannot bury our heads in the sand and believe our enemies will respect our desire to live apart. They want to destroy us. As simple as that. And accepting that has a clarity that is refreshing.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Perfect. Sums up the challenge we all face. Comply or rebel. Kudos for the honesty. There is no middle ground so people have to wake up to this.

I know what I choose to do.

When small groups of people are as isolated as you and your friends are, they face 3 choices. Fight a meaningless, pointless and unsuccessful battle. Adapt and make the best of it. Leave and live somewhere you are surrounded by fellow believers.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 29 Nov 21 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When small groups of people are as isolated as you and your friends are, they face 3 choices. Fight a meaningless, pointless and unsuccessful battle. Adapt and make the best of it. Leave and live somewhere you are surrounded by fellow believers.

Options 1 & 3 are the only valid ones. But I also have to acknowledge that I already have a bolt-hole in the East. A lot of my fellow travellers lack that option and maybe one day I will be forced to choose so we all have our dilemmas.

And to be fair, of late, my side has won most of the battles. The problem is the wider war which is the only conflict that ultimately matters.

But better to die than live as a slave. Would much rather be the Dinosaur that meets its end in the fresh air, telling the approaching comet that will wipe it out to go and f*** itself rather than cowering in the back of a cave, rotting in my own effluent.

Yes, I might be gone but far more likely to live on, at least in terms of legacy. That has to matter.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 6.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy who wants to see religion banned from being promoted thinks he's speaking to extremists.

Matov is highly frustrated and he can't see that it's because of people like him.

I fully understand his frustrations, I just think joining and supporting communities that don't talk down to him and frankly dislike him is a better way to push back against people like WE.

If society breaks down the biggest factor will be economic. What happens after that isn't knowable but we are civilised people and its cause won't have been from our hands.

The neo liberals are fecking it all up without even realising it.

I want religion removed from public life, and that includes people proselytising. I want people to freely practice their region in private, in their homes and places of worship, and for others to be welcomed, but only if they seek it. I want people to be as free of religion, as people of religion are free to practice it.

As someone who is a believer in freedom, I would have expected enthusiastic support for such a concept.

It may be unconventional, and not yet mainstream, but it's not extreme in any way. No-one gets hurt, or marginalised. People are free to believe, whilst others are protected from the believers.

It will be a long time coming. I won't see it in my lifetime, but with the world so divided by religion, I see this as one of the ways forward. Respect religion but ensure it is kept in its place.

Society won't break down. That's just right wing fantasy scare-mongering.

 

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