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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Mar 23 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That article pointed nothing out. It expressed some strange theories and opinions. Which it is perfectly entitled to express but whether you take them seriously is another matter. I found them extremely weird.

Your choice. I find Hancock's reaction to the various situations he and his colleagues created beneath contempt.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Mar 23 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There is a huge problem in asking you serious questions. You have previous. The problem is that your answers cannot be treated seriously. They are full of prejudice and assumptions that bear no resemblance to reality.

Your "mocking" is nothing of the sort. It is usually an attempt to avoid answering when your hypocrisy has been exposed. You avoid, divert and insult. Possibly you are unaware that you do it, but that's not an excuse. This is the political section of a football forum. A forum which expects respect to be shown, without exceptions due to the nature of the content. It is not a political forum.

That you regard loyalty as the most important personal quality is very revealing. Whilst it can be a virtue it can also be very destructive. Tyrants demand loyalty from their followers and punish disloyalty. So it depends who is the recipient of the loyalty. Bad people manipulate the loyal for bad reasons.

I am not personally a victim. The victims in your posts are truth and honesty, both of which I care about. I see myself a little like Hans Litten, in that poking the pig allows the squeals to be heard.

Yes, I am critical, but the criticism is intended to be directed at outcomes and not at personal qualities.

Unlike yours, as you confirm, yet again, in your last sentence.

So you complain when I don't address your points and regard it as some kind of admission or conceding. Yet when I give you the opportunity to ask me a specific question for a serious response you come out with nothing but excuses along the lines of you don't like the answers......blimey, it's the giddy limit with you.

Yeah ok, whatever you say Coltrane.

How you can seriously complain about being mocked and not taken seriously is certainly beyond me.

As for the rest of your post, it's just the ramblings of someone talking a load of bowls.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2023 1.29pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So you complain when I don't address your points and regard it as some kind of admission or conceding. Yet when I give you the opportunity to ask me a specific question for a serious response you come out with nothing but excuses along the lines of you don't like the answers......blimey, it's the giddy limit with you.

Yeah ok, whatever you say Coltrane.

How you can seriously complain about being mocked and not taken seriously is certainly beyond me.

As for the rest of your post, it's just the ramblings of someone talking a load of bowls.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2023 1.29pm)

As usual, you misunderstand, or more probably, misrepresent. I am not complaining about anything. I am pointing it out, so the hypocrisy can be seen. It's your right to be hypocritical, and I don't complain about that. It's also my right to point it out.

I have already told you why I won't ask serious questions of you. You have a history of providing answers that cannot be taken seriously, and to add more would just prolong the disagreements.

I enjoy mockery. It can be amusing. You don't mock. You try to obscure your own failings with sarcasm.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As usual, you misunderstand, or more probably, misrepresent. I am not complaining about anything. I am pointing it out, so the hypocrisy can be seen. It's your right to be hypocritical, and I don't complain about that. It's also my right to point it out.

I have already told you why I won't ask serious questions of you. You have a history of providing answers that cannot be taken seriously, and to add more would just prolong the disagreements.

I enjoy mockery. It can be amusing. You don't mock. You try to obscure your own failings with sarcasm.

Whatever you say Coltrane, lets get back to covid before we quite rightly get told off.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Your choice. I find Hancock's reaction to the various situations he and his colleagues created beneath contempt.

I have little time for Hancock. I have an ongoing dispute with the DHSC over statements that he and Johnson made in 2019, which has cost me £10,000 and which I am fighting with the help of my MP.

However, I think this event just shows that Ministers are human and when under pressure don't always think straight or behave well. Why then is it a surprise that supposedly private messages between colleagues are less than diplomatic and display human frailties? It's natural.

What is truly beneath contempt is the behaviour of the journalist involved, Isabel Oakeshott. Given sight of private correspondence to assist in writing a book that helps explain some of the events during the government's response to a pandemic, and signing a confidentiality agreement, she has decided, without consultation or permission, that releasing them is "in the public interest". Whilst knowing that an objective, comprehensive, enquiry is to be held that will ignore tittle-tattle and concentrate on facts.

That the release is of interest to the public doesn't mean it's in the public interest. Who in public life will ever trust a journalist again with background information if this is what happens? It's not in the public interest. It's designed to sell newspapers and advance the career of a journalist. She has, to my mind, gone much too far and made a bad miscalculation which could yet see her, and the Telegraph, in Court.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have little time for Hancock. I have an ongoing dispute with the DHSC over statements that he and Johnson made in 2019, which has cost me £10,000 and which I am fighting with the help of my MP.

Did they use a word in a way that you disapprove of?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have little time for Hancock. I have an ongoing dispute with the DHSC over statements that he and Johnson made in 2019, which has cost me £10,000 and which I am fighting with the help of my MP.

However, I think this event just shows that Ministers are human and when under pressure don't always think straight or behave well. Why then is it a surprise that supposedly private messages between colleagues are less than diplomatic and display human frailties? It's natural.

What is truly beneath contempt is the behaviour of the journalist involved, Isabel Oakeshott. Given sight of private correspondence to assist in writing a book that helps explain some of the events during the government's response to a pandemic, and signing a confidentiality agreement, she has decided, without consultation or permission, that releasing them is "in the public interest". Whilst knowing that an objective, comprehensive, enquiry is to be held that will ignore tittle-tattle and concentrate on facts.

That the release is of interest to the public doesn't mean it's in the public interest. Who in public life will ever trust a journalist again with background information if this is what happens? It's not in the public interest. It's designed to sell newspapers and advance the career of a journalist. She has, to my mind, gone much too far and made a bad miscalculation which could yet see her, and the Telegraph, in Court.

Laughing at people suffering under conditions they themselves expect to ignore with impunity isn't "less than diplomatic". It's contemptible.
The fact that the journalist involved revealed the messages concerned doesn't speak well of the vetting process.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 4.06pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Laughing at people suffering under conditions they themselves expect to ignore with impunity isn't "less than diplomatic". It's contemptible.
The fact that the journalist involved revealed the messages concerned doesn't speak well of the vetting process.

We all say and do things that with hindsight we wish we hadn't.

Hancock was a fool to use this lady, as she had previously shown she wasn't trustworthy. That doesn't excuse the behaviour.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We all say and do things that with hindsight we wish we hadn't.

Hancock was a fool to use this lady, as she had previously shown she wasn't trustworthy. That doesn't excuse the behaviour.

But we don't put in place laws to penalise people for what we ourselves subsequently do. And then laugh about it.

 

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I blame Palace's poor form on lockdown!

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Did they use a word in a way that you disapprove of?

Oddly enough in one way a single word was at the heart of it, although I doubt anyone could dispute it's meaning. That word was "all" which has an unequivocal meaning.

The real issue is the way the civil service have responded to a complaint I raised, arguing that what Ministers announce cannot be regarded as a statement of policy. As their announcement was confirmed by a press release and no corrections made in it, this is difficult to understand, but they have steadfastly refused to budge, leaving the nest option a judicial review, which is very expensive. The Ombudsman refuses to get involved. So I have my MP on the case, who is both understanding and supportive.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Mar 23 7.36pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But we don't put in place laws to penalise people for what we ourselves subsequently do. And then laugh about it.

I think that's probably taking some exchanges out of context, and we need to see the whole to understand the specific.

It's a hatchet job on an easy target, which shines little light, reinforces prejudicial attitudes, and comes from a source with an agenda. No brownie points for anyone from me.

 


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