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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 13 Dec 22 11.07pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Problems at both ends.

Children go to mum who assesses what is needed, very often a quick kiss and saying you will live - off you go.

We are all children when we have health doubts.

Triage needs to be more available, and quicker, so that people do not get frustrated by waiting in an overcrowded A&E for hours.

At the other end discharge hotels, offering a safe place to continue recovery, and doing tasks as physiotherapy, would get people out of hospitals - increasing capacity.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 13 Dec 22 11.09pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This is true. Must be the reason East Germany was so much more successful than West.

'The East German health system is widely regarded as the most advanced in the Communist world. It is also considered a model by the West Germans, whose less comprehensive program is threatening to become impossibly expensive'.

Did they have 7 millions waiting for treatment in the DDR?

Socialist states generally have good medical care.

And, of course, the best sex workers.....


 

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View HeathMan's Profile HeathMan Flag Purley 13 Dec 22 11.20pm Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

And, of course, the best sex workers.....

Dear Steeleye, As Christmas is approaching, I will not ask if you write from experience.

Enjoy your Christmas

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 13 Dec 22 11.28pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The East German health system is widely regarded as the most advanced in the Communist world. It is also considered a model by the West Germans, whose less comprehensive program is threatening to become impossibly expensive'.

Did they have 7 millions waiting for treatment in the DDR?

Socialist states generally have good medical care.

And, of course, the best sex workers.....


OK. I was talking about their football teams but maybe the DDR players were distracted by the tip top amorous opportunities at their disposal.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Dec 22 5.15am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Itís hard to know where to start with such lazy s***e but if you think what you earned as an apprentice presumably many decades ago is relevant, I donít know what to tell you. You also didnít do 5 years training to get into the role and Iíll take a guess that you werenít saving lives either.

Quite simply, if it was such a decent gig with so many amazing perks there wouldnít be people leaving in droves and they wouldnít be struggling to recruit new staff

No you are correct. I did 4 and a half years. Close to the five that the nurse does. Maybe Iím just a quick learner

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 14 Dec 22 6.53am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Quite simply, if it was such a decent gig with so many amazing perks there wouldnít be people leaving in droves and they wouldnít be struggling to recruit new staff


They did rather shoot themselves in the foot when they did away with the bursary payments - this wiped out a huge number of older,married women with families who were prepared to train but need that bit of income to keep the family afloat whilst they did so.

My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Dec 22 8.30am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I am probably just rehashing previous posts but my view is that it is broken and no amount of money can fix it without huge reform.
Those in charge generally waste the money and on top of that appoint more chiefs on silly salaries.
The Government should pay for all clinical staff training and only get any of that back if those staff leave their posts for whatever reason - there can be a "got to work for us for X years" clause in there or lose your training costs (pro-rata).
.Needing to take a degree course to be a Nurse is utter madness and that should be removed immediately.
Local works best and each Trust should be totally in charge of its area.
The money given needs to be spent wisely - but like every department in Government it is now.
The list is endless but it does need to stop being political and needs cross party support with the way forward enshrined in law so that it cannot be changed on a political whim.

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There are many valid observations in this thread but the one highlighted above isnít one of them.

The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job. This frees up the doctors! So a degree is sensible and if they leave the profession they donít leave the student debt they have incurred. Itís far from perfect as it is a huge disincentive to potential applicants.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Dec 22 9.02am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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There are many valid observations in this thread but the one highlighted above isnít one of them.

The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job. This frees up the doctors! So a degree is sensible and if they leave the profession they donít leave the student debt they have incurred. Itís far from perfect as it is a huge disincentive to potential applicants.

Very few students will ever repay the debt, as it incurs ridiculous interest. My daughter has a well paid job, having obtained a masters degree. She is repaying every month but will never repay it in full. Sorry off topic

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Dec 22 9.10am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by becky


They did rather shoot themselves in the foot when they did away with the bursary payments - this wiped out a huge number of older,married women with families who were prepared to train but need that bit of income to keep the family afloat whilst they did so.

My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital.

If you work in the NHS for X number of years I have no problem in the taxpayer paying off the student loan and even a bursary.

 


One more point

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Dec 22 12.35pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by becky


They did rather shoot themselves in the foot when they did away with the bursary payments - this wiped out a huge number of older,married women with families who were prepared to train but need that bit of income to keep the family afloat whilst they did so.

My Goddaughter was one and so was most of the rest of her intake... and that's just one hospital.

Who did away with bursary payments...?

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Dec 22 2.25pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The job of a nurse has been upscaled in the last few years so that they can handle many things that previously were only done by a doctor. The more simple things, like changing beds, pads, feeding etc are now done by health care assistants, who are trained on the job.

You mentioned this before but I'm not sure that it's true. The role of some nurses has been upscaled into nurse practitioners but not all of them. When I mentioned to my staff nurse wife that you had said that nurses no longer have to feed or toilet patients her response was "I wish"

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Dec 22 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow


Who did away with bursary payments...?

The current Tory government if that was a serious question

 

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