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View beak's Profile beak Flag croydon 17 Apr 23 3.37pm Send a Private Message to beak Add beak as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Very scientific research.

I was talking to voters,they count at election time, sadly for you we live in a democracy!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Apr 23 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I believe that the Council did some property dealswith Companies who fleeced them because the Council people doing the deals were too stupid to know and understand what they were doing
Just put them into google and see the issues - how people are not in prison without pensions and pay offs I have no idea.
Massive fraud has taken place in so many ways.

On the BBS someone complained "why do the voters have to suffer" (15% increase but blame it on the Tories).

Doh because you keep voting for an incompetent council if the voters had paid attention they could have made it clear to the Labour council much earlier to sort it or else.

 


One more point

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 17 Apr 23 6.53pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher?

Rishi Sunak does.

The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%.

Conservative councils already charge 345 more than labour ones.

A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies.

That's much better from labour and its not personal.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Apr 23 7.19pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher?

Rishi Sunak does.

The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%.

Conservative councils already charge 345 more than labour ones.

A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies.

That's much better from labour and its not personal.

What about the Labour controlled Croydon Council? What a fine job?

 

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View batcountry's Profile batcountry Flag Melbourne 17 Apr 23 9.06pm Send a Private Message to batcountry Add batcountry as a friend

Im afraid that politics no longer attracts attracts the right kind of people. Theres not a real statesman/woman amongst the lot of them. Shouting about tories being better thank labour and vice versa is futile and town councils are mostly run by amateurs. Dyed in the wool propaganda and gotcha moments is no way to run a country and the fact that proven liars and criminals are backed as potential leaders is appalling.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Apr 23 9.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher?

Rishi Sunak does.

The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%.

Conservative councils already charge 345 more than labour ones.

A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies.

That's much better from labour and its not personal.

A lot of the profit is outside the UK. How do you tax from another country ?
Oh and lots of pensions are invested in these companies so cost of living and lower pensions, yup that makes sense !

Edited by cryrst (17 Apr 2023 9.37pm)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 17 Apr 23 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Starmer should concentrate on issues where he doesn't have a history of hypocrisy and simple lying, like the Sunak rapist attack ad.

Problem is finding those.


Which is why the attack ad's make perfect sense.

Starmer has a MASSIVE Achilles heel when it comes to much of the woke stuff. Just that picture of him taking the knee during all that BLM stuff is going to hurt big time when the electioneering gets underway.

So fight fire with fire. I think it is very clever politicking. Changes the narrative. Makes people question just how right-wing the Tories truly are (which is not a lot in my opinion).

Labour does not need to persuade lefties to vote for them. The British Left primarily identifies itself by being Anti-Tory rather than pro-Labour and Starmer has to do nothing to get their vote. They are nailed on to vote Labour, no matter what. Starmer needs white people who voted Conservative in 2019 to switch to him. That simple.

And he only does that by fighting the Tories on their ground because this is where the battle is won or lost.

Ignore the polls. The figure scaring Labour at the moment is the undecideds. And Sunak scores better in terms of who people percieve him as being a better Prime Minister than Starmer. Starmer has no choice but to go nasty.

So he might get a few votes less in safe Labour seats. Those do not matter a single jot.


 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 17 Apr 23 10.22pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher?

Rishi Sunak does.

The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%.

Conservative councils already charge 345 more than labour ones.

A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies.

That's much better from labour and its not personal.

Is that what you believe??
If so then you are dumb

 

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View Tunbridge's Profile Tunbridge Flag Tunbridge Wells 17 Apr 23 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Tunbridge Add Tunbridge as a friend

I do.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 18 Apr 23 5.47am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

I believe that the Council did some property dealswith Companies who fleeced them because the Council people doing the deals were too stupid to know and understand what they were doing
Just put them into google and see the issues - how people are not in prison without pensions and pay offs I have no idea.
Massive fraud has taken place in so many ways.

Yes, it was pretty much a case of, I bought a house once so I know how to be a property developer and put together an investment portfolio.

The idea behind it was sound, the lack of competence of those managing the deals frankly scary.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 18 Apr 23 6.18am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Yes, it was pretty much a case of, I bought a house once so I know how to be a property developer and put together an investment portfolio.

The idea behind it was sound, the lack of competence of those managing the deals frankly scary.

Well quite.

How on earth can any organisation, with access to the landbank and resources like Croydon, lose money on property? In the SE of England? That takes a very special kind of stupid with the only other option, utter corruption or that rather unique combination of both.

In fact, Croydon as a whole, given its wealth of transport links, is pretty difficult to f*** up. But they managed it.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 19 Apr 23 6.44am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Do you think your council tax should be 15% higher?

Rishi Sunak does.

The tories are raising council tax by up to 15%.

Conservative councils already charge 345 more than labour ones.

A labour government would freeze council tax for a year funded by a proper windfall tax on gas and oil companies.

That's much better from labour and its not personal.

Absolute garbage on rises as others will point out.

You are the political version of a flat earther, amusing though

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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