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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Online Flag 22 Apr 23 10.10am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Tax evasion is around 3% of total tax liabilities, while benefit fraud accounts for 0.8% of total benefit expenditure.

Tax evasion £35bn. Benefit fraud £6bn. The latter far worse recently suggesting weak management of the DWP.

On a Pareto basis, which should have the bigger focus?

And who is responsible for these woeful figures?

How can they tell what the true extent is of either.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Apr 23 10.19am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because Labour is too thick to notice what you have spotted?

Maple! Iím getting concerned that we are agreeing on more and more. Maybe you arnt as left as I thought and maybe Iím not as right; then again.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Tax evasion is around 3% of total tax liabilities, while benefit fraud accounts for 0.8% of total benefit expenditure.

Tax evasion £35bn. Benefit fraud £6bn. The latter far worse recently suggesting weak management of the DWP.

On a Pareto basis, which should have the bigger focus?

And who is responsible for these woeful figures?

Any source for figures?

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Apr 23 7.55am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Tax evasion is around 3% of total tax liabilities, while benefit fraud accounts for 0.8% of total benefit expenditure.

Tax evasion £35bn. Benefit fraud £6bn. The latter far worse recently suggesting weak management of the DWP.

On a Pareto basis, which should have the bigger focus?

And who is responsible for these woeful figures?

Evasion or avoidance? There is a big difference as one is perfectly legal but unethical and the other is illegal. Iím sure benefit fraud is the easier target so why not go that way. Are they any worse or better and Itís still stealing from us the tax payer. Concentrate on that first then go after the tax evasion. Hmg can go back years on that so why rush.

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Online Flag 23 Apr 23 9.29am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Poor old Keir,the media are out to get him!!

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 Apr 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Poor old Keir,the media are out to get him!!

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No. The Sun is. What do you think has changed there them? You may remember its Ďspectacularly malicious coverageí of the Labour Party over the years.

Its plea to Ďstring upí the wrongly convicted Birmingham six.

The rag that told us Ďí STRAIGHT SEX CANNOT GIVE YOU AIDS Ė OFFICIAL."

You may want to treat that comic with the respect it deserves.

Edited by Mapletree (23 Apr 2023 10.27am)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 Apr 23 10.30am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Evasion or avoidance? There is a big difference as one is perfectly legal but unethical and the other is illegal. Iím sure benefit fraud is the easier target so why not go that way. Are they any worse or better and Itís still stealing from us the tax payer. Concentrate on that first then go after the tax evasion. Hmg can go back years on that so why rush.

Let us again consider Pareto.

Many people taking small amounts they donít deserve (and also many not taking what they do deserve). You think them easier targets than few people taking very large amounts they donít deserve. I can only conclude you are not one of the former.

 

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Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said. [BBC]

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Apr 23 11.53am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Poor old Keir,the media are out to get him!!

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'Sir Softie' won't fly.

Judges have recently been asked by the tory Justice Secretary to send fewer people to prison because of overcrowding and backlogged courts.Ē&#8201;

Labour were far better on crime, 'tough on crime and its causes'.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Apr 23 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Diane Abbott has been suspended as a Labour MP pending an investigation into a letter she wrote about racism for the Observer, the party has said. [BBC]

I just read this, I think suspending her is well over the top for the Labour party. She has voiced an opinion acknowledging that some groups suffer prejudice but racism is different.

I am not sure I agree with her but I don't see her comments as antisemitic. The Party machine is really out to get her she has said far worse in the past.

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 Apr 23 12.23pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I just read this, I think suspending her is well over the top for the Labour party. She has voiced an opinion acknowledging that some groups suffer prejudice but racism is different.

I am not sure I agree with her but I don't see her comments as antisemitic. The Party machine is really out to get her she has said far worse in the past.

How anybody with any kind of belief in anysort of basic understanding of what freedom of speech is could vote for Labour is beyond me.

Now please don't think this is me shilling for the Tories because it aint. Would rather cut my hand off than vote for them as well. But seriously, Labour are through the looking glass now.

What they did to Corbyn is bad enough but this...

In some ways I feel sorry for the mainstream Left. They are literally so cucked by their anti-Tory stance on any and everything that they are incapable of actually taking any kind of rational POV on what Starmer is doing. Starmer could announce almost anything and they will still trot out and vote for him.

One of the accusations made about the traditional white working class was that they voted Labour by way of a Pavlovian response. Hence why an ambitious Labour type might hold their nose and represent a constituency in some god-forsaken part of the midlands or the north. After all, as Mandleson once infamously stated, 'they have nowhere else to go'.

Brexit put paid to that notion.

But are the soc.libs now viewed with equal disdain by Starmer and co? Are they the ones who can just be relied on no matter what?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Apr 23 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It's ironic that an MP who made her name making fairly unpleasant and possibly racist remarks now falls foul of the same thing.

The problem of course is a making of the left:

We have the words prejudice, racism, xenophobia and antisemitism. Most normally people assume that when you use on of these words you are referring to unpleasant people and then listen to your point. However if you do not use the correct word the left will vilify you and ignore the point you are actually making.

The left always eat their own.

 


One more point

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