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 Stirlingsays  03 Jun 23 11.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The myth is not that they get sacked, but the idea that it's for holding an opinion. It's not and your "example" conclusively proves it. That guy lost his job for failing to do his job. As a teacher your job is not to teach what you believe but to teach what your employer instructs you to teach. You must either leave your personal convictions at home, or refuse the contract. That's your choice. If you accept the contract, you accept the terms. They can express as much opposition to political agendas when in their own time and to whoever they want, but in their employer's time they cannot. By all means, have a pop at the curriculum in a school, or the standards expected by an employer, but not at the right of any employer to insist they are followed once set. Everybody cares about merit being the only measurement when determining suitability. Merit includes understanding and following what is required to do the job and the necessity to set aside personal beliefs when doing so. You can no more have a fervent believer in any one faith who is unable or unwilling to set that aside when teaching religious studies than you could have a holocaust denier teaching modern history. There's actually a lot within this that I'd agree with. However, this doesn't happen to the left. I was a teacher for enough years to see teachers pushing their politics in their teaching and it's just accepted as normal. So while I agree with this in priciple.....no teacher should be doing that, left or right. There are huge double standards. As you have been shown...the right get the boot, but the left don't and that's because the left are in charge of the contracts. As I stated, when these roles were reversed people weren't sacked or booted because they were left wing. Just as you are allowed to use this platform whereas the opposite version of you wouldn't survive long on the bbs.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 23 11.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
There's actually a lot within this that I'd agree with. However, this doesn't happen to the left. I was a teacher for enough years to see teachers pushing their politics in their teaching and it's just accepted as normal. So while I agree with this in priciple.....no teacher should be doing that, left or right. There are huge double standards. As you have been shown...the right get the boot, but the left don't and that's because the left are in charge of the contracts. As I stated, when these roles were reversed people weren't sacked or booted because they were left wing. Just as you are allowed to use this platform whereas the opposite version of you wouldn't survive long on the bbs. If true I condemn both. I have though no idea if it's true. Instinct tells me that it's more likely something else was what really caused it, but I need to understand all the details before passing judgement. I don't use the BBS but I cannot imagine any forum banning someone simply because their politics differed. It has to be something more than that. It's my experience that the right, as a noisy minority these days, frequently position themselves as martyrs.
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Jun 23 7.13am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Depends what was in his contract. Does anyone actually know? Never heard ‘that’ saying about contracts then. In 78 years !
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 04 Jun 23 7.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Provide some evidence for that assertion. I think it's a popular right-wing myth. People can hold whatever opinions they want but when employed they cannot behave as they want. They are required to abide by their employer's terms and conditions. I expect that any dismissals are for breaches of them and not because they hold any particular opinion. Repeatedly mouthing off about many things will get you sacked. Authoritarian right-wing control is much more a real threat. Unless they are Gary Lineker!
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| georgenorman 04 Jun 23 7.54am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The difference being that one was trying to be funny whilst making a spicey comment, and the other wasn't. Not that there's a hope in hell of you seeing that. As I said yesterday you don't possess a sense of humour. It is as clear as day that both were attempting to be humorous - as you well know. Not that there's a hope in hell of you admitting that as your prevarication is endless.
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| DANGERCLOSE london 04 Jun 23 8.07am |
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The left can't answer a simple question and that question is "what is a woman?"
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 23 8.21am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Unless they are Gary Lineker! The dispute over Lineker was whether he could be contractually restricted from posting social media comments in his own time. Not what he did in his employer's time.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 23 8.22am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is as clear as day that both were attempting to be humorous - as you well know. Not that there's a hope in hell of you admitting that as your prevarication is endless. How do you know? You haven't got a sense of humour?
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| georgenorman 04 Jun 23 9.22am |
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Prevarication and deflection - your usual default positions.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Jun 23 11.57am |
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I would suspect that no one will quite reach the ideal and then loads will give up. The most radical will hold out for a while, until they will turn on each other for some micro aggression or another. Then there will be blue hair, charity shop shirts, inappropriate piercings and crap tattoos flying all over the place.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Jun 23 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Depends what was in his contract. Does anyone actually know? NO., including yourself, but one thing I guarantee you is if he'd said that he fully backed the likes of Target & Bud Light promoting Pride Month he wouldn't of been told to apologise.
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Jun 23 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Never heard ‘that’ saying about contracts then. In 78 years ! You're wasting your time debating with this drop kick he twists circumstance & reason to suit his bulls*** agenda
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