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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 02 Jun 23 2.05pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We will see I guess but there is a hell of a lot of money going into the area.

It's estimated to be about $250m minimum just to get started to have the technical and server capability needed to think about creating your own AI program, let alone have a working one.

That's a high bar to entry – there are loads of startups claiming to be creating their 'own AI' but it's nonsense. They'll be using APIs from the big boys that can afford to create effective class leading systems and bolting on what they then will tout as their 'USP' to an uneducated, unsuspecting commercial sector.

That's something else to watch out for in this next phase – the crypto/NFT style hype bubble and proliferation of 'with AI' being sold to anyone that will listen, because of FOMO and ignorance. It's like how data scientists were viewed a few years ago, like gods. People within businesses didn't understand what they did but they saw everyone else hiring them so jumped on the bandwagon. In reality most entry level data science is no more complex than feeding data into the black box (modelling) until you get something you think you can sell as useful or unexpected back to the company you're working for. There's no genius involved, as currently its impossible to know why or how the result was created.

Chatbots are still way off perfect but even now they're passable and can take a lot of work away from a human. Edge cases still need to be handled by a person, sure, but they're edge cases. Sales will end up being a small pool of people that handle escalated interactions where the AI fails, with everything else being fully automated. That happens now, just with a bigger pool of people as it's not quite there yet.

Put it this way, bash AI at your peril – this is the worst it's ever going to be. It's only going to improve, and fast.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 02 Jun 23 2.06pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I recently spoke to an IT guy who specialised in AI and worked for one of the big UK insurance companies. They have built their own AI as most major companies do or are planning to do. Google is the one the press have picked up on but there are many out there.

I think the change is going to be quite rapid and not necessarily for the good, I doubt you will get to talk to a person very soon.

I'd think that building their own AI from scratch is unlikely as it's both talent and cost prohibitive – they'll be using APIs from someone like Google, OpenAI etc. to create a 'narrow AI' that helps them with internal decision making (eg the credit card example) or consumer facing sales etc. Sales being another area you probably want to get out of fairly soon at the lower level. Or it's just an ML system which is probably pretty cost effective to create, rather than something at a ChatGPT level, for example.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 23 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

It's estimated to be about 0m minimum just to get started to have the technical and server capability needed to think about creating your own AI program, let alone have a working one.

That's a high bar to entry – there are loads of startups claiming to be creating their 'own AI' but it's nonsense. They'll be using APIs from the big boys that can afford to create effective class leading systems and bolting on what they then will tout as their 'USP' to an uneducated, unsuspecting commercial sector.

That's something else to watch out for in this next phase – the crypto/NFT style hype bubble and proliferation of 'with AI' being sold to anyone that will listen, because of FOMO and ignorance. It's like how data scientists were viewed a few years ago, like gods. People within businesses didn't understand what they did but they saw everyone else hiring them so jumped on the bandwagon. In reality most entry level data science is no more complex than feeding data into the black box (modelling) until you get something you think you can sell as useful or unexpected back to the company you're working for. There's no genius involved, as currently its impossible to know why or how the result was created.

Chatbots are still way off perfect but even now they're passable and can take a lot of work away from a human. Edge cases still need to be handled by a person, sure, but they're edge cases. Sales will end up being a small pool of people that handle escalated interactions where the AI fails, with everything else being fully automated. That happens now, just with a bigger pool of people as it's not quite there yet.

Put it this way, bash AI at your peril – this is the worst it's ever going to be. It's only going to improve, and fast.

Yep, it's a 'brave new world' and a scary one.

The competition between states will obviously involve dark uses, which have the potential to be very destructive.......It'll soon be AI against AI.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 04 Jun 23 4.18pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Look to history : the speed at which some occupations became dinosaurs was truly breathtaking.

- Printers
- Airline Navigators
- Potters

etc etc.


We had better be prepared for blood on the carpet.....

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Jun 23 4.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Look to history : the speed at which some occupations became dinosaurs was truly breathtaking.

- Printers
- Airline Navigators
- Potters

etc etc.


We had better be prepared for blood on the carpet.....

Survival of the fittest no, the cleverest no, the ones most adaptable to change yes.
The meek shall inherit the earth as we as the minions will adapt. We’ve had to forever. The top won’t know s***, like a footballer with an agent stopping playing. Can’t pay a phone bill!

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 04 Jun 23 4.50pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the 'girlfriend AI'' in the latest Blade Runner Movie was truly amazing. In one scene, her control-panel was on-screen. You could change her eye-colour and ethnicity at the click of a box.

I guess you could even choose her personality.....like the demure docility of a new love.....or the tempestous Harpy of an ex-wife. You would be surprised what preferences some people have.

If that is the future, the human race is truly fecked.

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Jun 23 1.47pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Having a little think about it, the most at risk jobs are in tech/computing which is rather ironic. Real AI will, of course, write its own code.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 05 Jun 23 2.15pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the cure for cancer

- World Peace
- feeding a Planet of 14 billion souls

some jobs are too big for AI to solve, humans will be much better at these challenges

 


Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jun 23 2.45pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

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Red and Blue Army!

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View georgenorman's Profile georgenorman Flag 12 Jun 23 3.46pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Can AI climb stairs?

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jun 23 4.04pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Can AI climb stairs?

No way, remember Robocop.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 13 Jun 23 6.39am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

There has been recent chat on here about AI in the form of Chatbots (Wisbech Eagles new besties it seems), so it was interesting when this article popped up in my inbox this morning, as part of a regular update from Malwarebytes. I haven't had time to listen to the podcast, but the article was interesting enough to make me save it for later.

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