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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 25 Sep 23 11.36am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Mike Tyson did jail time for a rape. His accuser willingly followed him to his hotel bedroom and entered the room having seen Tyson lying on the bed in his underpants.

as discussed above, women have the right to remove their consent. Even after penetration. Frustrating but true.

however, the legality of Rape allegations will probably always be a minefield. What is the Law in Saudi about rape ? is it that the rape must be witnessed by men or something ? in order to stand up in a court of law ?

in my personal opinion, the victim reports the rape within 24 hours or its null & void. I mean, imagine reporting a car crash after 4 years have elapsed ?

Brand is certainly an unsavoury sleazy character. But i get the smell of something rotten in Denmark.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Sep 2023 11.38am)

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Sep 23 11.59am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Mike Tyson did jail time for a rape. His accuser willingly followed him to his hotel bedroom and entered the room having seen Tyson lying on the bed in his underpants.

as discussed above, women have the right to remove their consent. Even after penetration. Frustrating but true.

however, the legality of Rape allegations will probably always be a minefield. What is the Law in Saudi about rape ? is it that the rape must be witnessed by men or something ? in order to stand up in a court of law ?

in my personal opinion, the victim reports the rape within 24 hours or its null & void. I mean, imagine reporting a car crash after 4 years have elapsed ?

Brand is certainly an unsavoury sleazy character. But i get the smell of something rotten in Denmark.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Sep 2023 11.38am)

I get the point entirely, but there are cases where women have been held captive for weeks, months and years. There would have to be good reason why DNA evidence wasn't gathered, or the offence reported.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Sep 23 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Mike Tyson did jail time for a rape. His accuser willingly followed him to his hotel bedroom and entered the room having seen Tyson lying on the bed in his underpants.

as discussed above, women have the right to remove their consent. Even after penetration. Frustrating but true.

however, the legality of Rape allegations will probably always be a minefield. What is the Law in Saudi about rape ? is it that the rape must be witnessed by men or something ? in order to stand up in a court of law ?

in my personal opinion, the victim reports the rape within 24 hours or its null & void. I mean, imagine reporting a car crash after 4 years have elapsed ?

Brand is certainly an unsavoury sleazy character. But i get the smell of something rotten in Denmark.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Sep 2023 11.38am)

I think there is a sound argument for putting a time limit on minor offences including sexual offences e.g. he touched my bottom. This stuff is a waste of police time as it is highly unlikely that there will be any evidence beyond the witness complaint.

However there should not be a time limit on serious stuff e.g. rape or murder. As for the time limit I would say something like 4-6 years.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 25 Sep 23 12.18pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

However there should not be a time limit on serious stuff e.g. rape or murder. As for the time limit I would say something like 4-6 years.

on the one hand, yes i agree with you. On the other, why the hell wait years to report somebody stabbing you ?

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Sep 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

on the one hand, yes i agree with you. On the other, why the hell wait years to report somebody stabbing you ?

Yup however there are always these cases of controlling / bullying people so the victim is too frighten to report it at the time.

 


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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Sep 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Mike Tyson did jail time for a rape. His accuser willingly followed him to his hotel bedroom and entered the room having seen Tyson lying on the bed in his underpants.

as discussed above, women have the right to remove their consent. Even after penetration. Frustrating but true.

however, the legality of Rape allegations will probably always be a minefield. What is the Law in Saudi about rape ? is it that the rape must be witnessed by men or something ? in order to stand up in a court of law ?

in my personal opinion, the victim reports the rape within 24 hours or its null & void. I mean, imagine reporting a car crash after 4 years have elapsed ?

Brand is certainly an unsavoury sleazy character. But i get the smell of something rotten in Denmark.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (25 Sep 2023 11.38am)

Wouldn't be easy in front of all those witnesses and would probably lead to a further charge.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Sep 23 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

to some people, making allegations is 'evidence'

Not that I am aware of.

A series of allegations made by people without prior knowledge of the others could be regarded as circumstantial evidence but how much weight would be attached would be up to a jury to decide.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Sep 23 1.52pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I am 8 years older than my wife, we have been married for 33 years. When she was 17 I was 25 ( we didn’t meet until she was 21) but had we, in your world we shouldn’t have started a relationship?

I'm not sure how you've deduced that or why you've decided to personalise a fairly inoffensive opinion. Age gaps obviously become progressively less problematic the older you get, and broadly when all parties are adults (ie. over 1 I don't think the law should bother itself with who you shag, as long as it's all consensual.

You and your wife were both in your 20s when you met - it's nothing like what I'm describing.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 23 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup however there are always these cases of controlling / bullying people so the victim is too frighten to report it at the time.

That can happen, but it also opens up the charge to misuse....which I believe is happening more often in today's culture.

I would agree on a time limit of three months, unless there are exceptional circumstances.

Though the problem with rape is that the nature of the crime is far harder to prove than murder.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2023 2.49pm)

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 25 Sep 23 3.12pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Though the problem with rape is that the nature of the crime is far harder to prove than murder.


i believe the Courts are not allowed to consider 'previous form'.

If she made a hundred previous claims, of being a victim, you would begin to doubt her.
If he had a hundred previous rape allegations, you would begin to frown ( Jimmy Savile ).

 


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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I'm not sure how you've deduced that or why you've decided to personalise a fairly inoffensive opinion. Age gaps obviously become progressively less problematic the older you get, and broadly when all parties are adults (ie. over 18) I don't think the law should bother itself with who you shag, as long as it's all consensual.

You and your wife were both in your 20s when you met - it's nothing like what I'm describing.

So you think the age of consent should be raised to 18?

I wouldn't be against that, however I can see problems that it creates as it's difficult enough now with a significant number of 16 year olds having sex before it's legal.

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It's roughly around 1 in 3.

When we look at why the answer is obvious....it's both cultural and technological. Cultural insomuch as social liberalism encourages sexuality and sexual freedom and technological down to the reality of the pill and the removal of social stigma.

The statistics from the link showing that in 1964 the number of teenagers reporting underage sex being a least half what it was since these cultural and technological changes.

I don't know what the solution is (even social conservatism would only be a partial answer).....I'd like a solution but I don't think it's going to be under social liberalism. You can raise the age of consent to any age you like....unless you change the culture it makes no difference and while the pill is there....nothing will change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2023 7.14am)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 23 7.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

i believe the Courts are not allowed to consider 'previous form'.

If she made a hundred previous claims, of being a victim, you would begin to doubt her.
If he had a hundred previous rape allegations, you would begin to frown ( Jimmy Savile ).

'Previous form' is a double edged sword. It's circumstantial evidence.....which can be useful but on its own needs more. We just convicted Letby largely on statistical circumstantial evidence...but importantly not only that....the note and autopsies were important.

There are nuances, there are many dark aspects to this area that people don't like to think about. Hell, I don't like to think about them but if we had to address the area seriously those aspects are there to be considered.

 


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