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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 06 Oct 23 8.35am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Thought long and hard about starting this based primarily on the fact I will be choosing not to vote in it but thought that this might offer me a chance to perhaps observe it as an outsider so to speak.

And also thought that the party conference season needed to be out of the way but after this last night...

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Then the starting gun was fired.

Huge win for Labour.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Oct 23 8.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I think that even if we had a Tory government which was competent and popular they would still struggle to win the next GE due to the SNP imploding.

As it is I see Labour winning a huge majority and this is largely due to the fault of the Tories.

Whenever a socialist moans we have had 13 years of a Tory government I reply "really cos I'm still waiting for one".

I have no idea who to vote for next year I guess it will depend of which fringe candidates are standing in my area.

 


One more point

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 06 Oct 23 9.18am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the same old 'two horse race'. Wouldn't it be nice if we could vote 'none of the above' ?

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Oct 23 10.00am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

When even those who I would have thought would always vote Conservative are saying they wonít, and the SNP have gone past their sell by date, a Labour landslide now looks inevitable.

The way the Tory right are behaving does nothing to challenge that.

So the more interesting questions are how Labour will manage and what will happen to the Tories when they are decimated?

I have little confidence in Labourís ability to be radical and decisive in the circumstances they will inherit. I see nothing but more years of pain ahead for which they will increasingly be blamed. Thatís just politics.

What happens to the Tories? Will the right manage to bring in Farage and relaunch as a better organised version of Reform? If they do will the centrists walk? Or will the right be blamed for the disaster and the message that only those who hold the centre can ever hold power win the day?

It will be interesting.

More interesting than the next election for sure.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Oct 23 10.15am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When even those who I would have thought would always vote Conservative are saying they wonít, and the SNP have gone past their sell by date, a Labour landslide now looks inevitable.

The way the Tory right are behaving does nothing to challenge that.

So the more interesting questions are how Labour will manage and what will happen to the Tories when they are decimated?

I have little confidence in Labourís ability to be radical and decisive in the circumstances they will inherit. I see nothing but more years of pain ahead for which they will increasingly be blamed. Thatís just politics.

What happens to the Tories? Will the right manage to bring in Farage and relaunch as a better organised version of Reform? If they do will the centrists walk? Or will the right be blamed for the disaster and the message that only those who hold the centre can ever hold power win the day?

It will be interesting.

More interesting than the next election for sure.

I think that just about reflects my feelings too.

I agree with prediction but I also have no great faith in Labour to do much in terms of changing the things that matter for Joe Bloggs. It will be another situation of seeing one rise only to fall and be replaced by the previously fallen again (as I alluded to on another thread).

Any 'right' contingent for the Tories I can only see manifesting almost as a parody of what most would imagine that to look like, with the odd bonkers, failed policy thrown in (Rwanda). The pull and perceived safety of centralism is too strong and either party may only slightly move away from it before being sucked back in.

The day either sticks to it's guns ideologically will be a great one for me. Until then, it is just replacing the blue clowns with the red ones so they can stand in the firing line until the next juncture. That's how I see it anyway. I'd like to see wildcard entries to vote for and that might reinvigorate me, perhaps the Hairy Bikers, Sugababes, Alan Rickman or the cast of Shameless, something like that.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Oct 23 10.20am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I think that just about reflects my feelings too.

I agree with prediction but I also have no great faith in Labour to do much in terms of changing the things that matter for Joe Bloggs. It will be another situation of seeing one rise only to fall and be replaced by the previously fallen again (as I alluded to on another thread).

Any 'right' contingent for the Tories I can only see manifesting almost as a parody of what most would imagine that to look like, with the odd bonkers, failed policy thrown in (Rwanda). The pull and perceived safety of centralism is too strong and either party may only slightly move away from it before being sucked back in.

The day either sticks to it's guns ideologically will be a great one for me. Until then, it is just replacing the blue clowns with the red ones so they can stand in the firing line until the next juncture. That's how I see it anyway. I'd like to see wildcard entries to vote for and that might reinvigorate me, perhaps the Hairy Bikers, Sugababes, Alan Rickman or the cast of Shameless, something like that.

The Rwanda policy is actually Denmark's policy. Yet Britain find it a joke? Go to Denmark and see what you think. I visit regularly and would move there tomorrow.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Oct 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The Rwanda policy is actually Denmark's policy. Yet Britain find it a joke? Go to Denmark and see what you think. I visit regularly and would move there tomorrow.

I wasn't ever against the principle of the policy AS, however my belief (or lack of) in seeing it effectively employed has only ever been reflected in the reality.

I have very little faith that even the Tories actually intended to see it through, but it probably secured them some backing which I'd humbly suggest was the primary intention. Either that or to test the water/appetite for such things.

If anything it only reflected an extremely condescending attitude politicians have for the general population. Was a fish that was thrown and happily gobbled up for a short term win.

Never been to Denmark but from my very little insight and knowledge, sounds like a lovely place to live and a great producer of now goalscoring centre backs too.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Oct 23 10.44am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I attended 'Conference' on all 4 days and as ever it was a wonderful experience.

Being on the 'Right' of the party I particularly enjoyed the contributions of Suella,Braverman, Dame Priti Patel etc etc and I delighted in extending the hand of friendship with some well-known figures in the party.
My goodness, what a wonderful few days.

On HOL, I concentrate my efforts on the football discussions and stay well clear of the political debates as I regularly experience the cut and thrust of political dialogue outside this cherished site, accordingly I have nothing further to add and will continue my deliberations with my fellow Conservative chums !!

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Oct 23 11.00am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I attended 'Conference' on all 4 days and as ever it was a wonderful experience.

Being on the 'Right' of the party I particularly enjoyed the contributions of Suella,Braverman, Dame Priti Patel etc etc and I delighted in extending the hand of friendship with some well-known figures in the party.
My goodness, what a wonderful few days.

On HOL, I concentrate my efforts on the football discussions and stay well clear of the political debates as I regularly experience the cut and thrust of political dialogue outside this cherished site, accordingly I have nothing further to add and will continue my deliberations with my fellow Conservative chums !!

Did you see Farage there?

Was there any talk about the GBNews owners buying the Telegraph?

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Oct 23 11.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Did you see Farage there?

Was there any talk about the GBNews owners buying the Telegraph?

I had a jolly good chinwag with Farage.An urbane gentleman and a bastion of good sense.
I never heard of any such discussion apropos GBNews owners.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Oct 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I had a jolly good chinwag with Farage.An urbane gentleman and a bastion of good sense.
I never heard of any such discussion apropos GBNews owners.

There are certainly interesting developments afoot.

On the surface level you'd suspect that Farage is there due to the banking situation and regulations but no doubt there are lots of discussions.

Considering he has a large platform they will no doubt want him to sway the large numbers on the right who are disillusioned with the Tories into voting for them.

 


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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 06 Oct 23 11.52am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I attended 'Conference' on all 4 days and as ever it was a wonderful experience.

Being on the 'Right' of the party I particularly enjoyed the contributions of Suella,Braverman, Dame Priti Patel etc etc and I delighted in extending the hand of friendship with some well-known figures in the party.
My goodness, what a wonderful few days.

On HOL, I concentrate my efforts on the football discussions and stay well clear of the political debates as I regularly experience the cut and thrust of political dialogue outside this cherished site, accordingly I have nothing further to add and will continue my deliberations with my fellow Conservative chums !!

Did you join in the standing ovations or was yours the voice I kept hearing shout "Sit Down"?

 


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