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 chris123  hove actually 13 Mar 16 7.07pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Which has benefitted the EU and corporate interests. Less so however the people who live in areas dependent on the Steel and Coal production - many of which are unemployment black spots. I'm against the EU, because it further undermines the position of the working classes. So would you subsidise UK coal and steel production?
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| Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 9.55am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The EU wants closing down. EFA
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Mar 16 10.53am |
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Originally posted by chris123
So would you subsidise UK coal and steel production? If necessary, yes or engage in programs aimed at relocating people from those areas into areas of high employment whilst slowly closing down the industry. Mass unemployment for the purpose of profit, undermines the national interests of citizens and the responsibility of state to its citizens. Its hard for a lot of people in the South East, to realise just how brutal the 80s were to industrial towns and cities.
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| Rubin 23 Mar 16 4.05pm |
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Interesting thoughts of a former head of MI6, going against the claims that we're safer in Europe:
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Mar 16 9.49am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Interesting thoughts of a former head of MI6, going against the claims that we're safer in Europe: Not for MI-6 it wouldn't their a foreign intelligence agency, operating outside of British Territory. I don't think agencies will suddenly just go 'f**k those guys and their information' either, they'll be sharing because its in everyone's interest. The risk, I think, is that it could result in MI-5 being more an outsider in terms of influence and in terms of status - As I think its likely that following France and Brussels, European states will use the European Union to forge closers ties between intelligence agencies and likely set up an 'EU desk'. In reality, not much will change from a Brit Exit, especially short term, maybe long term the necessity will be an emphisis on greater negotiation between the UK and EU. In truth, the argument, I think comes down to one that there are risks of exit, that really exist because its a change to the current status quo, I don't think anyone can be really sure without knowing what a BritExit would mean - I don't foresee much change if we exit, as I'd imagine the UK government will engineer us into the ETA like Norway.
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Mar 16 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Not for MI-6 it wouldn't their a foreign intelligence agency, operating outside of British Territory. I don't think agencies will suddenly just go 'f**k those guys and their information' either, they'll be sharing because its in everyone's interest. The risk, I think, is that it could result in MI-5 being more an outsider in terms of influence and in terms of status - As I think its likely that following France and Brussels, European states will use the European Union to forge closers ties between intelligence agencies and likely set up an 'EU desk'. In reality, not much will change from a Brit Exit, especially short term, maybe long term the necessity will be an emphisis on greater negotiation between the UK and EU. In truth, the argument, I think comes down to one that there are risks of exit, that really exist because its a change to the current status quo, I don't think anyone can be really sure without knowing what a BritExit would mean - I don't foresee much change if we exit, as I'd imagine the UK government will engineer us into the ETA like Norway. Interesting observations you make jamie, but I'll go with the former head of MI6's take on matters and ignore yours. No offence mate, but he's likely to know precisely what he's talking about from his experience doing the actual job. I expect you'll probably have the edge on him in a general debate with your outstanding knowledge of Dyson Vacuum cleaners suction, Haribo sugar content, Wasp sting efficiency etc etc that you bewilder and confound others with on here.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 Mar 16 10.29am |
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250 business leaders support Brexit:
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hoof Hearted 26 Mar 16 10.37am | |
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Add Peter Hargreaves to that list... As one of the country's most successful IFA's (started from nothing with his partner Steve Lansdown) in the early 80's and has built up Hargreaves Lansdown to be a multi Billion pound business. I trust his judgement on economic matters more than most and if he's not worried, none of us should be. He still invests in the stock market, so it would hit him hard if there was financial meltdown post Brexit.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Mar 16 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Interesting observations you make jamie, but I'll go with the former head of MI6's take on matters and ignore yours. No offence mate, but he's likely to know precisely what he's talking about from his experience doing the actual job. I expect you'll probably have the edge on him in a general debate with your outstanding knowledge of Dyson Vacuum cleaners suction, Haribo sugar content, Wasp sting efficiency etc etc that you bewilder and confound others with on here. I'm inclined to agree with him, I don't think membership of the EU or not, will make the blindest bit of difference to UK security. I was only saying it would affect MI-5 differently to MI-6, because the matter of counter-terrorism in British Territories is the responsibility of MI-5. I think the only real risk, is that an exit represents change, I don't think anyone has a very reasonable argument for as solid a case as they're making.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Mar 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Add Peter Hargreaves to that list... As one of the country's most successful IFA's (started from nothing with his partner Steve Lansdown) in the early 80's and has built up Hargreaves Lansdown to be a multi Billion pound business. I trust his judgement on economic matters more than most and if he's not worried, none of us should be. He still invests in the stock market, so it would hit him hard if there was financial meltdown post Brexit. Change the phrase would to could, and it makes more sense. An exit will only be a catalyst for change, if the intention of the elected political party in power chooses to utilise it as such. Personally, I think governments tend to bias referendum results to suit their own agenda. An exit will be trumpeted as a victory for democracy, and then we'll join the ETA, and effectively become a EU state under different legislation, than as a 'Definitive Member State' Unless its a landslide out, nothing will change, only the wording.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Mar 16 2.46pm |
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This is a voting event that I'm actually looking forward to.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Mar 16 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is a voting event that I'm actually looking forward to. Likewise, I love referendums, its almost democracy in action. I'd like to see more of this kind of decision making, and less party politics and government driven bulls*** masquerading as representation of the people.
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