I look forward to empirical evidence the young no longer cut the lawn.

I have noticed they seem quite keen on cooking and buying decent food. The BBC are very good at sneaking in public information films about stuff like cookery whilst disguising it as entertainment and it appears to be having an effect. Young people are even learning how to sew it seems.

Whatever you think of social media it is the future and fluency is actually rather important. As indeed you as a silver surfer seem to have adopted given you are on this site quite a bit.

I have said this many times, I have faith in the youth of South London, albeit mostly those South of Selhurst. And I find them better informed than many of the older generation with whom I meet. In any case it's going to be their world soon enough. It always amazes me how few people understood the point Knut tried to make so cleverly.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 11.21am)

My observations are based solely on the behaviour of the students who lived opposite me for 3 years compared to the Nigerian family that now rent the same property.

It was like watching groundhog day every Monday morning as the students got up a good 2 hours after the bin men had gone and realised their pizza cartons, beer tines etc would have to be taken to the recycling centre or lazily put in the shed for another week.

Their front lawn became a jungle of weeds and long grass, but good cover for a p1ss when they were having a late night BBQ/Party and couldn't be arsed to go indoors.

Oh yes Maple.... I've seen it all.

I now have a delightful Nigerian family of 8 who are polite, responsible and friendly cheerful people living opposite and my blood pressure is much lower observing them going about life than the arseholes that lived there before tbh.

My observations are based solely on the behaviour of the students who lived opposite me for 3 years compared to the Nigerian family that now rent the same property.

It was like watching groundhog day every Monday morning as the students got up a good 2 hours after the bin men had gone and realised their pizza cartons, beer tines etc would have to be taken to the recycling centre or lazily put in the shed for another week.

Their front lawn became a jungle of weeds and long grass, but good cover for a p1ss when they were having a late night BBQ/Party and couldn't be arsed to go indoors.

Oh yes Maple.... I've seen it all.

I now have a delightful Nigerian family of 8 who are polite, responsible and friendly cheerful people living opposite and my blood pressure is much lower observing them going about life than the arseholes that lived there before tbh.

Let me hazard a guess. 16 and 17 year olds. Still, at least the 13m under 18 year olds can rely on the 11.6m over 65s to understand and represent their needs and wishes for the long term.

ICM poll the other day said 7% of Leavers have changed their mind. Would need at least another 7%-9% to put real pressure on for a second referendum unless they just ignore the result of the first one.