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Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 11.55am

Originally posted by silvertop

As much as you may hate them pesky foreigners Hoof it may be unwise to by-pass the Art 50 procedure with the very people who we apparently want to negotiate effective bi-lateral trade deals with.

I wasn't agreeing with it , I was just telling people what I heard on the News.

In my experience of leaving clubs/organisations (like Britannia CD Club - LOL) you're best off filling out the forms they supply for departure, but for absolute certainty of leaving cancel your DDM with their bank.

All we need to do is stop paying the EU money and it will hit home to them that we mean business.

The rest will be like a messy divorce with lawyers earning a fortune!

 

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Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 11.57am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I'm interested in a lot of things, including the fate of the nation, but the hypocrisy of Patriotism and Nationalism, especially in politics, is a subject I'm very interested in.

But you said that about "My little pony" characters!

LOL

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 04 Jul 16 11.58am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This is just another hopeful attempt to outdo democracy and not carry out the will of the people.

Assuming the legal challenge was successful, do you honestly think Parliament would not vote to uphold what the majority of the UK voted for?

MP's like Liz Truss who was a Remaniac, but her constituency was fiercely Brexit. She would not risk being de-selected.

This is just another false hope, and a dying man clutching at straws.

For the record, I was a fierce "remainer" but do not support these efforts to defeat the spoken will of the people - no matter how strongly I disagree with the justifications for most leave voters I have seen interviewed and read on this site. A protest vote against austerity, I ask you!

However, the rules of the referendum were fixed in advance - simple majority wins. If there was evidence of electoral irregularity then a new referendum needs to be called. Otherwise, it is wholly wrong to seek to subvert the democratic process by some post-facto technical knock-out.

We must deal with where we are. No doubt we will eventually find a new equilibrium. I just hope it settles at a level more or less where we are.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Jul 16 11.58am

Originally posted by silvertop

As much as you may hate them pesky foreigners Hoof it may be unwise to by-pass the Art 50 procedure with the very people who we apparently want to negotiate effective bi-lateral trade deals with.

Quite, especially given the UK as a primary member of the EU and signatory of the assorted treaties that created the process of article 50.

Especially, as it would leave us in a problematic position of being legally within the EU.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Jul 16 11.59am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

But you said that about "My little pony" characters!

LOL

I'm a Bromy....

 


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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This is just another hopeful attempt to outdo democracy and not carry out the will of the people.

Assuming the legal challenge was successful, do you honestly think Parliament would not vote to uphold what the majority of the UK voted for?

MP's like Liz Truss who was a Remaniac, but her constituency was fiercely Brexit. She would not risk being de-selected.

This is just another false hope, and a dying man clutching at straws.

Truss woukd definitely lose support.

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 04 Jul 16 12.01pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I wasn't agreeing with it , I was just telling people what I heard on the News.

In my experience of leaving clubs/organisations (like Britannia CD Club - LOL) you're best off filling out the forms they supply for departure, but for absolute certainty of leaving cancel your DDM with their bank.

All we need to do is stop paying the EU money and it will hit home to them that we mean business.

The rest will be like a messy divorce with lawyers earning a fortune!


You do know that for every messy divorce, there are many that are actually negotiated smoothly, quickly and with relatively bearable pain.

It may happen.

 

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Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 12.03pm

Originally posted by silvertop

For the record, I was a fierce "remainer" but do not support these efforts to defeat the spoken will of the people - no matter how strongly I disagree with the justifications for most leave voters I have seen interviewed and read on this site. A protest vote against austerity, I ask you!

However, the rules of the referendum were fixed in advance - simple majority wins. If there was evidence of electoral irregularity then a new referendum needs to be called. Otherwise, it is wholly wrong to seek to subvert the democratic process by some post-facto technical knock-out.

We must deal with where we are. No doubt we will eventually find a new equilibrium. I just hope it settles at a level more or less where we are.

Fair play to you silvertop.

A pity a lot of other people aren't as pragmatic as your good self and want to see democracy in action and the people's will carried out.

Bad losers are the bane of everyone's life.

 

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Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 12.05pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Truss would definitely lose support.

 

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''Brexit could result in an extra £900m bill for the NHS as suppliers hike their prices to protect themselves against a weakening pound. The currency turmoil triggered by Britain’s decision to leave the EU could add a further 18 per cent to the efficiency target set out in the Carter review, according to NHS procurement expert Chris Robson. Mr Robson, of the management consultancy Akeso and Company, estimates that at least half of the products used in the NHS originate from outside of the UK, with a high proportion manufactured in Europe, Switzerland, the US and the Far East.''

So let's hope some of the money promised does in fact go into the NHS.

''David Cameron has rejected an appeal to give the NHS more money based on the leave campaign’s pledge to put £350m a week into the service, even though the referendum revealed strong public backing for the move.''

Oops

''Tory leadership contender Michael Gove has offered the NHS £100m a week as part of his manifesto.''

Ah, so that's OK then.

Edited by Mapletree (04 Jul 2016 12.16pm)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Jul 16 12.17pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This is just another hopeful attempt to outdo democracy and not carry out the will of the people.

Assuming the legal challenge was successful, do you honestly think Parliament would not vote to uphold what the majority of the UK voted for?

MP's like Liz Truss who was a Remaniac, but her constituency was fiercely Brexit. She would not risk being de-selected.

This is just another false hope, and a dying man clutching at straws.

I really think that any legal challenge that isn't based on demonstrating fraud or electoral tampering, is stupid for any politician to back. By the rules in place, the decision of the people, barring proof of collusion or tampering, was to leave. Even if we're talking about the percentages being so close, that's something that should have been ascertained and defined at the first UK Referendum, that a clear mandate would be required.

Politically, I can't see anyone or any party getting out of it without damaging their political viability, without at the very least presenting a second referendum, based on the outcome of a general election (i.e. If the Liberal Democrats stood in the general election with a manifesto that held a referendum on remaining in the EU and won, then fair enough).

Anything less than a second referendum, backed by support of a democratic mandate, would be damaging for the already fragile trust and relationship between the public and parliamentary democracy.

 


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Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 12.18pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I really think that any legal challenge that isn't based on demonstrating fraud or electoral tampering, is stupid for any politician to back. By the rules in place, the decision of the people, barring proof of collusion or tampering, was to leave. Even if we're talking about the percentages being so close, that's something that should have been ascertained and defined at the first UK Referendum, that a clear mandate would be required.

Politically, I can't see anyone or any party getting out of it without damaging their political viability, without at the very least presenting a second referendum, based on the outcome of a general election (i.e. If the Liberal Democrats stood in the general election with a manifesto that held a referendum on remaining in the EU and won, then fair enough).

Anything less than a second referendum, backed by support of a democratic mandate, would be damaging for the already fragile trust and relationship between the public and parliamentary democracy.

Your best post EVER jamie!

 

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