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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 15 Aug 17 10.02am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yet in all these years you haven't presented one tiny morsel of evidence to confirm your own delusional thoughts. Because you can't because there isn't any. How frustrating for you.

Re-edited because I am bored of this.

Edited by matt_himself (15 Aug 2017 1.29pm)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Aug 17 10.35am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its just how it was. You couldn't just rely on the police to deal with the NF and far right, so the ANL et all was a natural progression of similar allied movements defending themselves.

Obviously my experiences are decade on.

The police of the seventies and eighties were dodgy as hell. Wracked with corruption and scandals.

So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them.
I'll remember that when something is going on I don't like.
Wait. Right now Europe is full of murdering Islamists, driving their cars into people, blowing up innocent women and children and attacking people with knives.
Maybe we should confront them with equal violence when they hold a rally and start burning the Union Jack.

What do you think?

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 15 Aug 17 12.16pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them.
I'll remember that when something is going on I don't like.
Wait. Right now Europe is full of murdering Islamists, driving their cars into people, blowing up innocent women and children and attacking people with knives.
Maybe we should confront them with equal violence when they hold a rally and start burning the Union Jack.

What do you think?

I'd have no problem with people fighting Choudhury and his supporters trying to interrupt an Armistice Day parade.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Aug 17 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by topcat

I'd have no problem with people fighting Choudhury and his supporters trying to interrupt an Armistice Day parade.

Except that it would be against the law and arguably make us as bad as them.
Self defence is one thing, but where do you draw the line as to where self defence stops and attack starts?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you formed an equally violent and extreme group to combat them.
I'll remember that when something is going on I don't like.
Wait. Right now Europe is full of murdering Islamists, driving their cars into people, blowing up innocent women and children and attacking people with knives.
Maybe we should confront them with equal violence when they hold a rally and start burning the Union Jack.

What do you think?

Except it wasn't equally violent - The NF at the time were engaged in violence directly against people. The ANL crimes were only related to conflicts at protests.

The NF were actively assaulting people based on their ethnicity and engaged in arson, intimidation, harassment etc on a regular basis.

Notably it was the NF that were involved in terrorist activities (in the 70s on two separate occasions - once in obtaining military training from members in the military, and secondly in obtaining weapons for the 'coming race war'.

That's also not to mention the association with a number of violent hooligan firms - such as the Chelsea Headhunters.

Now I wouldn't say the ANL were angels, and clearly turning up to stand with other British citizens against the NF demonstrations, could lead to violence but in no way where the two groups the same.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 17 1.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Except that it would be against the law and arguably make us as bad as them.
Self defence is one thing, but where do you draw the line as to where self defence stops and attack starts?

Self defence includes the defence of others. In a lot of incidents, had the ANL not been around, then the NF would have had little to no opposition.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Aug 17 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Except it wasn't equally violent - The NF at the time were engaged in violence directly against people. The ANL crimes were only related to conflicts at protests.

The NF were actively assaulting people based on their ethnicity and engaged in arson, intimidation, harassment etc on a regular basis.

Notably it was the NF that were involved in terrorist activities (in the 70s on two separate occasions - once in obtaining military training from members in the military, and secondly in obtaining weapons for the 'coming race war'.

That's also not to mention the association with a number of violent hooligan firms - such as the Chelsea Headhunters.

Now I wouldn't say the ANL were angels, and clearly turning up to stand with other British citizens against the NF demonstrations, could lead to violence but in no way where the two groups the same.

Maybe not from your biased perspective.

What is interesting is that old Left wing dogs of war still recall with nostalgic tears in their eyes how they stood up to the NF and yet where are they when women and children are murdered and British flags burnt by Islamists in 2017?

Very selective vitriol. It leads me to conclude that their outrage is much more political than about people's safety.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 17 1.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Maybe not from your biased perspective.

What is interesting is that old Left wing dogs of war still recall with nostalgic tears in their eyes how they stood up to the NF and yet where are they when women and children are murdered and British flags burnt by Islamists in 2017?

Very selective vitriol. It leads me to conclude that their outrage is much more political than about people's safety.

You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are.

Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white.

Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening.

The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society.

But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x.


 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Aug 17 2.00pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are.

Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white.

Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening.

The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society.

But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x.

No, they tend to go into concerts full of kids and blow them up. Why doesn't the left protest and march against them? Why doesn't the left protest about the racist fascist Mugabe in Zimbawe. Why don't the left march against the genocide of white farmers in South Africa? Why doesn't the left protest about the communists in North Korea? Why doesn't the left march against the repressive regime in Venezeula?
By the way, how old were you in 1977 - you make out you were there. I don't remember loads of cases of NF beating up people, I do remember loads of cases of black gangs mugging old white grannies.

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Aug 2017 2.05pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Aug 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

No, they tend to go into concerts full of kids and blow them up. Why doesn't the left protest and march against them? Why doesn't the left protest about the racist fascist Mugabe in Zimbawe. Why don't the left march against the genocide of white farmers in South Africa? Why doesn't the left protest about the communists in North Korea? Why doesn't the left march against the repressive regime in Venezeula?
By the way, how old were you in 1977 - you make out you were there. I don't remember loads of cases of NF beating up people, I do remember loads of cases of black gangs mugging old white grannies.

Edited by hedgehog50 (15 Aug 2017 2.05pm)

No I was saying that my involvement with such groups came much later around 1990ish.


 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You'll usually find the current incarnation where the EDL are.

Are there demonstrations by Islamist groups that are illegal in the UK? Might be me and can the police not be trusted to deal with the issue. Last I checked you don't see many Pro-ISIS demonstrations marching through white areas kicking the s**t out people because they're white.

Also, the police and intelligence services seem to be doing a rather good job of dealing with the problem. There isn't a fundermental break between what the state should be doing to protect its people, and what is happening.

The ANL etc was a product of its time, that grew out of a problem with the NF, and the police's failure to protect protesters from the far right, or ethnic minority groups in society.

But yeah, keep telling yourself, that they're as bad as x.


Only because they are a minority.

You can spin it however you wish (and I know you do it so well) but the threat to a minority by a bunch of half wit skin heads with bricks and bovver boots does not compare to Islamic terrorists with bomb vests and mass murder on their minds, indiscriminately killing people in the name of an anti British and anti Western religious sect. Hardly a week goes by in Europe without a new attack.

Funny that the left spend so much energy fighting the Far Right and a similar amount excusing and appeasing Islamist nutters and all kinds of other horrors brought here by mass immigration.

As I said, they are very selective in their outrage.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Aug 2017 2.51pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Aug 17 3.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only because they are a minority.

You can spin it however you wish (and I know you do it so well) but the threat to a minority by a bunch of half wit skin heads with bricks and bovver boots does not compare to Islamic terrorists with bomb vests and mass murder on their minds, indiscriminately killing people in the name of an anti British and anti Western religious sect. Hardly a week goes by in Europe without a new attack.

Funny that the left spend so much energy fighting the Far Right and a similar amount excusing and appeasing Islamist nutters and all kinds of other horrors brought here by mass immigration.

As I said, they are very selective in their outrage.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Aug 2017 2.51pm)

Why are you bringing in isis to a topic about the left's success in combatting rising violent right wing fascism in the 70's.

 

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