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 Hrolf The Ganger  12 Oct 17 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Maybe neither would a family with 3 adults just over 18 living in Thornton Heath. Why should they pay 5 times when the wealthy couple in a big place with nobody over 18 with them pay twice? It was regressive. I love the way people bandy around phrases like 'wealty' and 'rich' and 'regressive'. What you really mean is that you were happy when people with more money were paying more instead of you.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Oct 17 3.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm sure. There were lots of left wing activists there like you. I wasn't a leftie at the time - That came later (mid 20s) I was a member of the Liberal Party, back then and with them and the SDP. It was around 1990s when I became involved with the left wing. People were paying before they paid rates. Then they were asked to pay a lot more, whilst people who were far better off, got to pay a lot less whilst living in far bigger properties. Yeah unsurprisingly they were f**ked off. It wasn't an even remotely fair system of taxation. So despite the assertions, I was a) Protesting not rioting b) Not a Leftie c) Employed
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Oct 17 3.56pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I love the way people bandy around phrases like 'wealty' and 'rich' and 'regressive'. What you really mean is that you were happy when people with more money were paying more instead of you. When people with far bigger properties were paying more than people in far smaller homes you mean. You make it sound like only the wealthier we paying rates.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 17 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I wasn't a leftie at the time - That came later (mid 20s) I was a member of the Liberal Party, back then and with them and the SDP. It was around 1990s when I became involved with the left wing. People were paying before they paid rates. Then they were asked to pay a lot more, whilst people who were far better off, got to pay a lot less whilst living in far bigger properties. Yeah unsurprisingly they were f**ked off. It wasn't an even remotely fair system of taxation. So despite the assertions, I was a) Protesting not rioting b) Not a Leftie c) Employed
What is fair is often a matter of perspective. It would not have benefitted me personally at the time but many might say that people having to pay just because they own a house while many others pay nothing is equally 'unfair'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 17 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
When people with far bigger properties were paying more than people in far smaller homes you mean. You make it sound like only the wealthier we paying rates. Well nowadays I get stung for outrageous amounts of council tax because our house is ajudged to be in a high band which is quite ridiculous. Shall I go and knock a policeman's hat off in anger?
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| Stirlingsays 12 Oct 17 4.24pm |
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When it comes to the proportion of income that should come out of earnings the left ideologically....apart from the nutters....get it about right....in terms of fairness. When it comes to the proportion of income that should come out of earnings the right extract about as much money from the wealthy as possible (because they know the left would be much worse). That isn't the same thing as fairness.....that's a wholly different question. But importantly the right keep wealth in the country. The poll tax though....that wasn't a fair tax.....again, it would need a new thread to go over why properly. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2017 4.25pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Oct 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
When it comes to the proportion of income that should come out of earnings the left ideologically....apart from the nutters....get it about right....in terms of fairness. When it comes to the proportion of income that should come out of earnings the right extract about as much money from the wealthy as possible (because they know the left would be much worse). That isn't the same thing as fairness.....that's a wholly different question. But importantly the right keep wealth in the country. The poll tax though....that wasn't a fair tax.....again, it would need a new thread to go over why properly. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Oct 2017 4.25pm) Absolute crap. All those subsidies and profits going to foreign owned train companies, power, water etc etc is not keeping wealth in the country. Much of London is foreign owned thanks to the right selling it off. Edited by nickgusset (12 Oct 2017 5.12pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Oct 17 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Absolute crap. All those subsidies and profits going to foreign owned train companies, power, water etc etc is not keeping wealth in the country. Much of London is foreign owned thanks to the right selling it off. Edited by nickgusset (12 Oct 2017 5.12pm) No, better nationalise everything and cost the tax payer billions. Nice one Jeremy. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Oct 2017 5.19pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Oct 17 5.51pm |
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No one likes paying taxes, but Income Tax is probably the fairest if levied equally, ie: everyone pays the same percentage of their income. If you have acquired assets, good luck to you, shouldn't be taxed. VAT isn't very fair, a millionaire and a poor person pay the same tax on an article. More of a problem is what is done with the tax collected, so much waste, daft projects, needless quangos, numerous 'parliaments', incompetence etc. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Oct 2017 5.52pm)
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Park Road  12 Oct 17 5.57pm |
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And let it be said a thread started about an inquiry about the FLA a non political movement of the forgotten working class turns into political hogwash by the HOL and some of the very big egos that have hijacked it with their boring political issues.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Oct 17 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
And let it be said a thread started about an inquiry about the FLA a non political movement of the forgotten working class turns into political hogwash by the HOL and some of the very big egos that have hijacked it with their boring political issues. That's the hol for you. A thread on the FLA is always going to end up going political
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| Stirlingsays 12 Oct 17 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
And let it be said a thread started about an inquiry about the FLA a non political movement of the forgotten working class turns into political hogwash by the HOL and some of the very big egos that have hijacked it with their boring political issues. Yeah, but it was spoken about....threads evolve. What else is there to say about the FLA? Can't see anything wrong with them myself.
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