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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 27 Aug 18 12.50pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest of respect, I have made by views on the standard of refereeing in England patently clear and I have nothing to add.I'm not going to get drawn into any further debate on this matter.

Because even you cant defend Sundays referee???

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Aug 18 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Because even you cant defend Sundays referee???

What part of "I have nothing to add. I'm not going to get drawn into any further debate on this matter" is it that you have difficulty in understanding

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 27 Aug 18 1.21pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

What part of "I have nothing to add. I'm not going to get drawn into any further debate on this matter" is it that you have difficulty in understanding

just stated a fact, ??? were in error

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Aug 18 1.28pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Fair enough ref was crap. However, the main problem was our lack of bite up front, we missed 3 clear and pretty easy chances. One mistake at the back less or one cleaner strike and it would have been a draw or a win for us. We can't change how crap the ref is but we can, for instance, stop pretending Benteke is going to score.

 


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View bicycle repair man's Profile bicycle repair man 27 Aug 18 1.37pm Send a Private Message to bicycle repair man Add bicycle repair man as a friend

i have no doubt that if Wilf had deliberately raked the back of a Watford players achilles he would have been sent off.
the ref was so wet he was easily swayed by the Vicarage Road crowd.hence the booking for Wilf when he executed a perfectly clean tackle, because of the screaming idiots,and the pathetic play acting of the Watford player who lost the ball.
i'm just glad that Wilf got through the game without any season ending injury.
it was obvious the main Watford tactic was to intimidate and injure him as soon after kick off as possible.the only person not realise that appeared to be the dopey ref.

 

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View Maine Eagle's Profile Maine Eagle Flag USA 27 Aug 18 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

Ref bottled it because it was 5 mins in.

More than 10 mins into the game and he gets sent off.

It is unusual to get pens/red cards in the first 5 mins of games, because refs are not usually put in that situation so early.

Its a real issue though as referees need to give the same fouls on the halfway line as they do in the area, and they need to give the same decisions in the first minute versus the last, but they just dont. Human nature perhaps.

Maybe there is a culture of fear with the refs to not make a mistake, and they would rather NOT give something and make a mistake, than give something and make a mistake. There have to be repercussions for poor displays but when you make refs afraid of making a bad decision then they will tend to bottle it rather than give it.

Lets face it we have had plenty of times when we should have had a guy sent off and it didnt happen, albeit this was a real nasty one.

Luck generally evens itself out over the season. We got away with a pen vs Fulham and coughed up a dodgy one versus Liverpool, for example.

We have also had occasions where the opponent was down to ten men and we looked WORSE. lol.

But lets face it, Souness was right, he absolutely bottled it, probably because it was the first major thing to he had to do.

 


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View Superhorns3's Profile Superhorns3 Flag Harpdenden 27 Aug 18 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Superhorns3 Add Superhorns3 as a friend

As a general point when decisions have been made we've heard pundits saying the ref ruined the game by as you say giving one early on but clearly in this case we should have gone down to 10.

Maybe another example of why refs should come out and explain the decisions made ?

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 27 Aug 18 3.10pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by Superhorns3

As a general point when decisions have been made we've heard pundits saying the ref ruined the game by as you say giving one early on but clearly in this case we should have gone down to 10.

Maybe another example of why refs should come out and explain the decisions made ?


That wont ever happen but I would like to see the reports they put in I don't see why they shouldn't be public.

had the ref not given him a yellow then we would be seeing him get few games ban.

The biggest issue is the rules the game has changed and its either a contact sport or not because just look at the chelsea penalty yesterday that was a very good tackle yet because theirs contact after he has first touched the ball it's deemed a foul what is that about this sort of thing has destroyed football same with how you flick a player he does down holding his head.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Aug 18 4.08pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


That wont ever happen but I would like to see the reports they put in I don't see why they shouldn't be public.

had the ref not given him a yellow then we would be seeing him get few games ban.

The biggest issue is the rules the game has changed and its either a contact sport or not because just look at the chelsea penalty yesterday that was a very good tackle yet because theirs contact after he has first touched the ball it's deemed a foul what is that about this sort of thing has destroyed football same with how you flick a player he does down holding his head.

Schar definitely makes contact with the ball but he wraps his legs around Alonso in a scissor action.In pre-season meetings with the players and clubs, they were informed that just because a player makes contact with the ball, it doesn't mean that no foul can be awarded against the player making the tackle.

But I suspect we will all see many instances of players in similar circumstances bellowing out "Ref - I got the ball" !

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 27 Aug 18 4.24pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Schar definitely makes contact with the ball but he wraps his legs around Alonso in a scissor action.In pre-season meetings with the players and clubs, they were informed that just because a player makes contact with the ball, it doesn't mean that no foul can be awarded against the player making the tackle.

But I suspect we will all see many instances of players in similar circumstances bellowing out "Ref - I got the ball" !

Surely ut should bd if he gets the ball first but then follows through dangerously it should be a foul (like vardys sending off). Schars follow through was hardly dangerous and IMO shouldn't havd been a penalty. It's basically banning the sliding tackle, because it's almost impossible to slide in, win the ball, and not touch the player.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Aug 18 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2

Surely ut should bd if he gets the ball first but then follows through dangerously it should be a foul (like vardys sending off). Schars follow through was hardly dangerous and IMO shouldn't havd been a penalty. It's basically banning the sliding tackle, because it's almost impossible to slide in, win the ball, and not touch the player.

It was a penalty based on the current dictum that if a player wins the ball yet wraps his legs around the opponent in a scissor action and brings him down this is adjudged to be a foul.Bit different in the old days !

 

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View spartakev2's Profile spartakev2 Flag Anerley 27 Aug 18 5.03pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It was a penalty based on the current dictum that if a player wins the ball yet wraps his legs around the opponent in a scissor action and brings him down this is adjudged to be a foul.Bit different in the old days !

Can you show me where it says that on the fa rules, because try as I might I can't see anything saying that. Or are the refs just making up their own rules now.

 

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