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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 6.25pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts? Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them? Who on earth said 'all' and how can better off working people who dont need help and do the same working hours manage to eat heathily then. Do they have a different dimension in their lives. This is a pointed finger at the ones who are taking the piss; and you think that everyone claiming really is being honest about theor situation. You really do live in a bubble. One day reality may smack you hard in the face and then you will see that all your protectiinism was not worth a carrot.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Nov 18 6.25pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts?

Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them?

Who on earth said 'all' and how can better off working people who dont need help and do the same working hours manage to eat heathily then.
Do they have a different dimension in their lives.
This is a pointed finger at the ones who are taking the piss; and you think that everyone claiming really is being honest about theor situation.
You really do live in a bubble.
One day reality may smack you hard in the face and then you will see that all your protectiinism was not worth a carrot.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Nov 18 6.54pm
Originally posted by cryrst Who on earth said 'all' and how can better off working people who dont need help and do the same working hours manage to eat heathily then. Do they have a different dimension in their lives. This is a pointed finger at the ones who are taking the piss; and you think that everyone claiming really is being honest about theor situation. You really do live in a bubble. One day reality may smack you hard in the face and then you will see that all your protectiinism was not worth a carrot. Tbf there is a difficulty for some in getting to a shop that sells fresh and reasonably or low cost food within walking distance. I’m talking about the really skint here. £4 bus fare is a big dent in their budget. But there are clueless or ignorant people eating junk 24/7 without a care or maybe a care when the debt spiral takes its final grip. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 18 Nov 18 6.54pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Tbf there is a difficulty for some in getting to a shop that sells fresh and reasonably or low cost food within walking distance. I’m talking about the really skint here. £4 bus fare is a big dent in their budget.

But there are clueless or ignorant people eating junk 24/7 without a care or maybe a care when the debt spiral takes its final grip.

COYP

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elgrande bedford 18 Nov 18 7.09pm
My daughter works full time,also occasionally behind the bar at Sutton United. She has a fella(been together years and have an 11 year old daughter) the Apple of my eye I might add. But they both work . They have to find £1200 a month rent before anything else. But they do and have a fairly good life,and one of them cooks dinner from fresh every night....so they find the time. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 18 Nov 18 7.09pm

My daughter works full time,also occasionally behind the bar at Sutton United.
She has a fella(been together years and have an 11 year old daughter) the Apple of my eye I might add.
But they both work .
They have to find £1200 a month rent before anything else.
But they do and have a fairly good life,and one of them cooks dinner from fresh every night....so they find the time.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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elgrande bedford 18 Nov 18 7.11pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Tbf there is a difficulty for some in getting to a shop that sells fresh and reasonably or low cost food within walking distance. I’m talking about the really skint here. £4 bus fare is a big dent in their budget. But there are clueless or ignorant people eating junk 24/7 without a care or maybe a care when the debt spiral takes its final grip. I can see your point,but that £4 bus fare would be saved if they did it. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 18 Nov 18 7.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

But there are clueless or ignorant people eating junk 24/7 without a care or maybe a care when the debt spiral takes its final grip.

I can see your point,but that £4 bus fare would be saved if they did it.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 18 Nov 18 8.03pm
I have read all of your messages on this subject and feel sad. I was born and raised in the UK and love my country of birth. All I now see is blame being shifted from one party to another. Look to the future, if there is no future then we are all in the s***, even me in Oz. Stop whinging and get on with it.
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Mount Martha 18 Nov 18 8.03pm

I have read all of your messages on this subject and feel sad.
I was born and raised in the UK and love my country of birth.
All I now see is blame being shifted from one party to another.
Look to the future, if there is no future then we are all in the s***, even me in Oz.
Stop whinging and get on with it.

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Pussay Patrol 18 Nov 18 8.35pm
Originally posted by cryrst Who on earth said 'all' and how can better off working people who dont need help and do the same working hours manage to eat heathily then. Do they have a different dimension in their lives. This is a pointed finger at the ones who are taking the piss; and you think that everyone claiming really is being honest about theor situation. You really do live in a bubble. One day reality may smack you hard in the face and then you will see that all your protectiinism was not worth a carrot. There may be a small minority of people who commit benefit fraud but you seem to generalising about all benefit claimants. If you think fraudulent claimants is a much bigger problem why don't you provide some evidence to back up that claim, as I have done in the opening post, otherwise your opinion is just baseless accusations from what you read in the papers Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

18 Nov 18 8.35pm

Originally posted by cryrst

There may be a small minority of people who commit benefit fraud but you seem to generalising about all benefit claimants. If you think fraudulent claimants is a much bigger problem why don't you provide some evidence to back up that claim, as I have done in the opening post, otherwise your opinion is just baseless accusations from what you read in the papers

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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silvertop Portishead 18 Nov 18 8.42pm
Deeply sad and largely rubbish. Uk poverty is a consequnce, it would seem, of immigrants and useless layabouts. Elderly bigots with triple locked pensions fat on the labour of others casting judgment from their cosy zero mortgage homes. Ironic that they are one of the main causes of poverty. A diminishing working population being squeezed to sustain the growing pension age population because there are so many of them... and every bl00dy one votes. In 2016 the number of working families with children in poverty passed the number of pensioners in poverty. With current trends, the number of working families without children in poverty will pass the pensioners in poverty as the one curve inexorably rises to finance the ever falling trend of pensioner poverty. This may be fair, However, dont point your finger at the very people who helped prop up the labour market and fund pensioner subsidies.
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silvertop

Portishead 18 Nov 18 8.42pm

Deeply sad and largely rubbish. Uk poverty is a consequnce, it would seem, of immigrants and useless layabouts. Elderly bigots with triple locked pensions fat on the labour of others casting judgment from their cosy zero mortgage homes.

Ironic that they are one of the main causes of poverty. A diminishing working population being squeezed to sustain the growing pension age population because there are so many of them... and every bl00dy one votes. In 2016 the number of working families with children in poverty passed the number of pensioners in poverty. With current trends, the number of working families without children in poverty will pass the pensioners in poverty as the one curve inexorably rises to finance the ever falling trend of pensioner poverty.

This may be fair, However, dont point your finger at the very people who helped prop up the labour market and fund pensioner subsidies.

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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 18 9.31pm
What is rather depressing these days is how every single issue divides down political lines. Poverty. No one wants people to be poor, but not everyone can be rich. Is poverty relative or a constant? Anyone at the bottom of any society is poor compared to those above. That does not necessarily mean that they are in a desperate state. Playing politics with poverty does not solve it. The generation of wealth is what is required to enrich us at all levels. The rate of trickle down is the bone of contention. Most of us can agree that it is not at an acceptable rate. What can we do to address this? I would really like to know because the guys at the top of the food chain make the rules. The national democratic systems of government worldwide seem to have little effect on the bigger picture. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Nov 2018 9.33pm)
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What is rather depressing these days is how every single issue divides down political lines.

Poverty. No one wants people to be poor, but not everyone can be rich. Is poverty relative or a constant?
Anyone at the bottom of any society is poor compared to those above. That does not necessarily mean that they are in a desperate state.
Playing politics with poverty does not solve it. The generation of wealth is what is required to enrich us at all levels. The rate of trickle down is the bone of contention. Most of us can agree that it is not at an acceptable rate.

What can we do to address this?

I would really like to know because the guys at the top of the food chain make the rules. The national democratic systems of government worldwide seem to have little effect on the bigger picture.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Nov 2018 9.33pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.34pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol There may be a small minority of people who commit benefit fraud but you seem to generalising about all benefit claimants. If you think fraudulent claimants is a much bigger problem why don't you provide some evidence to back up that claim, as I have done in the opening post, otherwise your opinion is just baseless accusations from what you read in the papers I doubt a straw poll would give the answer TBH Who would own up to that kind of fraud. The evidence will be in the amount of people caught doing benefit fraud. It might be a small amount in % terms and in comparrison to the amount claiming it may be a small amount in head count compared to that as well but in money terms it could be quite hefty. I will investigate and try to get some figures. On the note of the welfare system it was never to be a way of life; just a safety net. I can appreciate help is needed for many, but if it is easy to get then what effort will be put in to be self sufficient.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.34pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I doubt a straw poll would give the answer TBH
Who would own up to that kind of fraud.
The evidence will be in the amount of people caught doing benefit fraud.
It might be a small amount in % terms and in comparrison to the amount claiming it may be a small amount in head count compared to that as well but in money terms it could be quite hefty.
I will investigate and try to get some figures.
On the note of the welfare system it was never to be a way of life; just a safety net.
I can appreciate help is needed for many, but if it is easy to get then what effort will be put in to be self sufficient.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.57pm
Here you are then pussy In 2017 174 billion paid in benefits ( about 20% of the countries annual budget) Of that 174 about 3.5 billion was in overpayments Of that 3.5 overpayments approx 2 billion was fraudulently claimed ( 2% roughly) Like is said a small % and a small amount in comparrison BUT 2 billion quid. Imagine what that could be used for and what is suffering now through a lack of funding. Divide that into say £2500 per year per fraud Some less some more but on average that amount That is 800,000 people or families The facts are there pussay in black and white so now you have the figures whats your opinion on the feckless piss taking % now. Do you see an issue No one said everyone on benefits. It was these scrotes!!!!!
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The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.57pm

Here you are then pussy
In 2017
174 billion paid in benefits
( about 20% of the countries annual budget)
Of that 174 about 3.5 billion was in overpayments
Of that 3.5 overpayments approx 2 billion was fraudulently claimed ( 2% roughly)
Like is said a small % and a small amount in comparrison BUT
2 billion quid.
Imagine what that could be used for and what is suffering now through a lack of funding.
Divide that into say £2500 per year per fraud
Some less some more but on average that amount
That is 800,000 people or families
The facts are there pussay in black and white so now you have the figures whats your opinion on the feckless piss taking % now.
Do you see an issue
No one said everyone on benefits.
It was these scrotes!!!!!

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.59pm
And that was a rise of 200 million on 2016 Imagine this years figures Geez it gets better dont it.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Nov 18 9.59pm

And that was a rise of 200 million on 2016
Imagine this years figures
Geez it gets better dont it.

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 10.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What is rather depressing these days is how every single issue divides down political lines. Poverty. No one wants people to be poor, but not everyone can be rich. Is poverty relative or a constant? Anyone at the bottom of any society is poor compared to those above. That does not necessarily mean that they are in a desperate state. Playing politics with poverty does not solve it. The generation of wealth is what is required to enrich us at all levels. The rate of trickle down is the bone of contention. Most of us can agree that it is not at an acceptable rate. What can we do to address this? I would really like to know because the guys at the top of the food chain make the rules. The national democratic systems of government worldwide seem to have little effect on the bigger picture. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Nov 2018 9.33pm) Holf thats life mate. It is still a lot closer than years ago when we had soup houses and people dying of starvation. The have nots want what the have have. Then everyone will be a have not in a very short time.
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cryrst

The garden of England 18 Nov 18 10.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What is rather depressing these days is how every single issue divides down political lines.

I would really like to know because the guys at the top of the food chain make the rules. The national democratic systems of government worldwide seem to have little effect on the bigger picture.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Nov 2018 9.33pm)

Holf thats life mate.
It is still a lot closer than years ago when we had soup houses and people dying of starvation.
The have nots want what the have have.
Then everyone will be a have not in a very short time.

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