Poverty in the UK

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Pussay Patrol 18 Nov 18 1.04pm
This is all ignoring the issue regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times. Lets avoid buying into the stereotype tabloid image of the feckless, workless family which has you believing it's an epidemic when the truth is it's only a small percentage of benefit claimants. Stigmatising people like this is a nasty trait. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home and far too many people are JAMs - Just about Managing. The amount of poverty as highlighted in a country of such wealth is a national disgrace and makes us regressive as a society Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

18 Nov 18 1.04pm

This is all ignoring the issue

regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times.

Lets avoid buying into the stereotype tabloid image of the feckless, workless family which has you believing it's an epidemic when the truth is it's only a small percentage of benefit claimants. Stigmatising people like this is a nasty trait.

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home and far too many people are JAMs - Just about Managing. The amount of poverty as highlighted in a country of such wealth is a national disgrace and makes us regressive as a society

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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elgrande bedford 18 Nov 18 1.37pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol This is all ignoring the issue regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times. Lets avoid buying into the stereotype tabloid image of the feckless, workless family which has you believing it's an epidemic when the truth is it's only a small percentage of benefit claimants. Stigmatising people like this is a nasty trait. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home and far too many people are JAMs - Just about Managing. The amount of poverty as highlighted in a country of such wealth is a national disgrace and makes us regressive as a society Why go from one extreme to another,no one is saying that you have to be a top chef to cook healthy cheap meals. Travel round the country like I do and see young teenage mum's with 2 upwards kids,they themselves are obese,what chance have the kids got eating packets of crisps or chips from their buggies. But I do agree with what badger says, it's a lot to do with family breakdowns..and the vicious circle of kids having kids. Good healthy food is cheap and easy to prepare. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 18 Nov 18 1.37pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is all ignoring the issue

Why go from one extreme to another,no one is saying that you have to be a top chef to cook healthy cheap meals.
Travel round the country like I do and see young teenage mum's with 2 upwards kids,they themselves are obese,what chance have the kids got eating packets of crisps or chips from their buggies.
But I do agree with what badger says, it's a lot to do with family breakdowns..and the vicious circle of kids having kids.
Good healthy food is cheap and easy to prepare.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Midlands Eagle 18 Nov 18 1.48pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times. It's probably more accurate to say that often poorer people don't bother to cook and whilst the middle classes may not be Michelin star chefs they tend to make more of an effort. I have heard this excuse of not having time to cook because of the fast paced lives that people tend to lead nowadays but wonder how much truth there is in that, especially as regards poorer people and the unemployed Originally posted by Pussay Patrol We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home I'm not sure how much truth there is in that statement. Living standards in USA aren't like they are portrayed in TV drama as the floods in Louisiana showed the world a couple of years ago and the desire for home ownership is something peculiarly British as Germans tend to be happier renting. The European country with the highest percentage of home ownership is Romania which is a country hardly known for it's high standard of living.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's probably more accurate to say that often poorer people don't bother to cook and whilst the middle classes may not be Michelin star chefs they tend to make more of an effort.

I have heard this excuse of not having time to cook because of the fast paced lives that people tend to lead nowadays but wonder how much truth there is in that, especially as regards poorer people and the unemployed

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home

I'm not sure how much truth there is in that statement. Living standards in USA aren't like they are portrayed in TV drama as the floods in Louisiana showed the world a couple of years ago and the desire for home ownership is something peculiarly British as Germans tend to be happier renting. The European country with the highest percentage of home ownership is Romania which is a country hardly known for it's high standard of living.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Nov 18 2.44pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol This is all ignoring the issue regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times. Lets avoid buying into the stereotype tabloid image of the feckless, workless family which has you believing it's an epidemic when the truth is it's only a small percentage of benefit claimants. Stigmatising people like this is a nasty trait. We are the 5th biggest economy in the world and living standards compared to similar countries is sub standard. The average wage is not enough to buy a home and far too many people are JAMs - Just about Managing. The amount of poverty as highlighted in a country of such wealth is a national disgrace and makes us regressive as a society It's easy to virtue signal – but what are your solutions? Tax the "rich" even more? It's still not going to be enough so then what do you do?
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Beckenham 18 Nov 18 2.44pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is all ignoring the issue

It's easy to virtue signal – but what are your solutions?

Tax the "rich" even more? It's still not going to be enough so then what do you do?

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 3.00pm
Originally posted by serial thriller I think, and this is in response to your other comment, that it is dangerous to see globalisation and modern immigration as the same thing. Globalisation has mainly impacted the free movement of capital internationally. London played an enormous role in that by setting up the city, which allowed trade in eurodollars and opaqueness regarding where the trading companies and money was registered. This has made us the money laundering capital of the world, and the global rich were given frictionless abilities to come and go through our country as they chose. But this hasn't been extended to the working classes of the world, even though logically that would benefit the elites (infinite labour pool, race to the bottom on wages etc.). So while we allow whatever dictator, criminal kletocrat or whatever in to the country to operate from, we create ever more Orwellian border security to prevent those they tyrannise from seeking refuge here. Why? I would argue because those in power know that the ideal of the nation state is the best protection from mass mobilisation that they have. They can use it in a jingoistic way, as Trump does, to preserve their power, but they can also use state mechanisms to crush solidarity movements, as the EU financiers have done in Greece, Spain and Italy, and will do in Britain without hesitation. And who is more to blame for the symptoms we see in our society? We need to believe in ourselves, and to have solidarity with all those being f*cked by the system, regardless of their colour, religion or culture. Only then can we hope for sovereignty and accountability. The last paragraph reads a bit like anarchy. The arab spring was a bit like that and the results are still visible and will be for years. In the past millions have died for a chance to choose our 'leaders' by a system of voting. From the middle ages to now. If they dont perform then next time they are not voted in. Thats a system which is the fairest for the majority and i would prefer to keep it that way.
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The garden of England 18 Nov 18 3.00pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

I think, and this is in response to your other comment, that it is dangerous to see globalisation and modern immigration as the same thing.

Globalisation has mainly impacted the free movement of capital internationally. London played an enormous role in that by setting up the city, which allowed trade in eurodollars and opaqueness regarding where the trading companies and money was registered. This has made us the money laundering capital of the world, and the global rich were given frictionless abilities to come and go through our country as they chose.

But this hasn't been extended to the working classes of the world, even though logically that would benefit the elites (infinite labour pool, race to the bottom on wages etc.). So while we allow whatever dictator, criminal kletocrat or whatever in to the country to operate from, we create ever more Orwellian border security to prevent those they tyrannise from seeking refuge here.

Why? I would argue because those in power know that the ideal of the nation state is the best protection from mass mobilisation that they have. They can use it in a jingoistic way, as Trump does, to preserve their power, but they can also use state mechanisms to crush solidarity movements, as the EU financiers have done in Greece, Spain and Italy, and will do in Britain without hesitation.

And who is more to blame for the symptoms we see in our society? We need to believe in ourselves, and to have solidarity with all those being f*cked by the system, regardless of their colour, religion or culture. Only then can we hope for sovereignty and accountability.

The last paragraph reads a bit like anarchy.
The arab spring was a bit like that and the results are still visible and will be for years.
In the past millions have died for a chance to choose our 'leaders' by a system of voting.
From the middle ages to now.
If they dont perform then next time they are not voted in.
Thats a system which is the fairest for the majority and i would prefer to keep it that way.

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Painter Croydon 18 Nov 18 3.31pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol This is all ignoring the issue regarding cooking are we saying that poorer people don't know how to cook but all middle class are Michelin Star chefs? of course not, all of society now live in a faster paced environment and have less family time, all you're saying is we live in different times. Bit of a contradiction, if poorer people, who are generally on benefits, don't have time to cook. What are they doing all day? Its no coincidence that fast food chicken and kebab shops are more prominent in poorer parts of towns. As its been said before, its cheaper to cook at home, but some of these people who are supposed to be in poverty favour to buying fast food.
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Croydon 18 Nov 18 3.31pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

This is all ignoring the issue

Bit of a contradiction, if poorer people, who are generally on benefits, don't have time to cook. What are they doing all day?
Its no coincidence that fast food chicken and kebab shops are more prominent in poorer parts of towns.
As its been said before, its cheaper to cook at home, but some of these people who are supposed to be in poverty favour to buying fast food.

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Pussay Patrol 18 Nov 18 4.05pm
Originally posted by Painter Bit of a contradiction, if poorer people, who are generally on benefits, don't have time to cook. What are they doing all day? Its no coincidence that fast food chicken and kebab shops are more prominent in poorer parts of towns. As its been said before, its cheaper to cook at home, but some of these people who are supposed to be in poverty favour to buying fast food. why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts? Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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18 Nov 18 4.05pm

Originally posted by Painter

why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts?

Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them?

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Stirlingsays Online 18 Nov 18 4.32pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Lets avoid buying into the stereotype tabloid image of the feckless, workless family which has you believing it's an epidemic when the truth is it's only a small percentage of benefit claimants. Stigmatising people like this is a nasty trait. Hang on.....weren't you buying into the stereotype of calling people Daily Mail readers and racists? But here you ask people not to use stereotypes. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Nov 18 4.32pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Hang on.....weren't you buying into the stereotype of calling people Daily Mail readers and racists?

But here you ask people not to use stereotypes.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Painter Croydon 18 Nov 18 4.53pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts? Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them? Why are you assuming everyone stereotypes people. Not hating anyone, just pointing out the fact, that an element of people assumed to be in poverty, seem to prefer takeaway food.
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Croydon 18 Nov 18 4.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts?

Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them?

Why are you assuming everyone stereotypes people.

Not hating anyone, just pointing out the fact, that an element of people assumed to be in poverty, seem to prefer takeaway food.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Nov 18 5.02pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts? Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them? This is the first valid point you’ve made. COYP
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Caterham 18 Nov 18 5.02pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

why do you assume all benefit claimants are feckless layabouts?

Actually most are hard working families on low incomes that need tax credits to supplement their income, why hate on them?

This is the first valid point you’ve made.

COYP

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PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Nov 18 5.10pm
Originally posted by elgrande Travel round the country like I do and see young teenage mum's with 2 upwards kids,they themselves are obese,what chance have the kids got eating packets of crisps or chips from their buggies. why are they choosing motherhood when they can barely look after themselves ? where are the dads of these kids ? were some of these kids conceived before the mothers were of a legal age of consent ? why should the taxpayer pay for other people's kids ? Take a look at Sweden if you want to see the logical conclusion of the entitlements culture. in what regards are some shirkers having a better standard of living than workers ? free council flat, fertility, get to be elderly with 25 grandkids to look after you, free time, sex life at 10 am on a Tuesday Wednesday Thursday , absence of work-related stress and associated illnesses. Poverty ? boo hoo. If you tried hard and are poor you got my sympathy. If its your own fault, then its your own fault. Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Nov 2018 5.41pm) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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Originally posted by elgrande

Travel round the country like I do and see young teenage mum's with 2 upwards kids,they themselves are obese,what chance have the kids got eating packets of crisps or chips from their buggies.

why are they choosing motherhood when they can barely look after themselves ?

where are the dads of these kids ?

were some of these kids conceived before the mothers were of a legal age of consent ?

why should the taxpayer pay for other people's kids ?

Take a look at Sweden if you want to see the logical conclusion of the entitlements culture.

in what regards are some shirkers having a better standard of living than workers ? free council flat, fertility, get to be elderly with 25 grandkids to look after you, free time, sex life at 10 am on a Tuesday Wednesday Thursday , absence of work-related stress and associated illnesses.

Poverty ? boo hoo. If you tried hard and are poor you got my sympathy. If its your own fault, then its your own fault.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Nov 2018 5.41pm)

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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cryrst The garden of England 18 Nov 18 6.18pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio why are they choosing motherhood when they can barely look after themselves ? where are the dads of these kids ? were some of these kids conceived before the mothers were of a legal age of consent ? why should the taxpayer pay for other people's kids ? Take a look at Sweden if you want to see the logical conclusion of the entitlements culture. in what regards are some shirkers having a better standard of living than workers ? free council flat, fertility, get to be elderly with 25 grandkids to look after you, free time, sex life at 10 am on a Tuesday Wednesday Thursday , absence of work-related stress and associated illnesses. Poverty ? boo hoo. If you tried hard and are poor you got my sympathy. If its your own fault, then its your own fault. Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Nov 2018 5.41pm) Watch out palazio You may be construed as a racist for sensible comments about useless oxygen thieves.
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The garden of England 18 Nov 18 6.18pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

why are they choosing motherhood when they can barely look after themselves ?

where are the dads of these kids ?

were some of these kids conceived before the mothers were of a legal age of consent ?

why should the taxpayer pay for other people's kids ?

Take a look at Sweden if you want to see the logical conclusion of the entitlements culture.

Poverty ? boo hoo. If you tried hard and are poor you got my sympathy. If its your own fault, then its your own fault.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Nov 2018 5.41pm)

Watch out palazio
You may be construed as a racist for sensible comments about useless oxygen thieves.

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