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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Nov 18 10.53am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Dear Left wing research organisation.

I'd quite like a new 4k 55inch TV to replace my 50 inch 1080p. I don't use food banks but I haven't paid off my mortgage just yet and the kids do ask for money regularly.

Do I qualify as poor? I am prepared to make a written statement blaming the Tories for everything ever.

Yours sincerely

Hrolf.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Back in the jug agane 17 Nov 18 10.57am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah the good old days when men were men eh? And even you were a young optimistic whippet. Well maybe that’s going too far.

Can I get some of those rose tinted glasses or do they only get handed out to bitter, dislllusioned and unfulfilled ethno nationalists.

Actually quite satisfying to see the oft dismissed reasoning behind such viewpoints qualified with such gumption.

Stirring stuff

How old are you?

 

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View Joe Bloggs's Profile Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 17 Nov 18 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

Many of the politicians have zero experience or knowledge of how " normal family's live their lives and we are governed by both main parties more on the lines of ideology than common sense.
You cannot sensibly represent wealth and business and the people it just does not equate, conversely the "workers" are hardly able to keep an eye out for business. Our country has been run on division for years and years.

Some things are just plain wrong or should be irrespective of political parties Austerity not shared by the population.

We say that we need immigration but do not have the common sense to see that requires housing.

! was brought up in an era of bombs and bomb sites and little did I imagine that progress would lead to food banks, such a shameful and disgraceful state of affairs.

The 2016 referendum if nothing else showed how out of touch the politican's are.

Your lot did that, no your lot did so and so, says everything about the way our country is run.

We have an asylum and we truly have too many idiots running it, Common sense and decency "come on down"

Edited by Joe Bloggs (17 Nov 2018 1.06pm)

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Nov 18 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Ah the good old days when men were men eh? And even you were a young optimistic whippet. Well maybe that’s going too far.

Can I get some of those rose tinted glasses or do they only get handed out to bitter, dislllusioned and unfulfilled ethno nationalists.

Actually quite satisfying to see the oft dismissed reasoning behind such viewpoints qualified with such gumption.

Stirring stuff

It's a shame that you couldn't manage a sensible response rather than a collection of meaningless soundbites

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 17 Nov 18 3.14pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Joe Bloggs


We say that we need immigration but do not have the common sense to see that requires housing.


Edited by Joe Bloggs (17 Nov 2018 1.06pm)


if immigrants joining this economy will generate more wealth, how do they generate more Houses ? or generate more single women ?

you been to poverty stricken Dagenham recently ? the high Street seems to be full of blokes , blokes and more blokes. With the odd granny thrown in here and there for decoration.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Nov 2018 3.20pm)

 


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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 17 Nov 18 4.38pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Poverty is relative to what level you put against it.
I dont see people eating their own dogs or starving to death in the streets.
Now thats poverty.
See venezuala and the like for poverty.

Very true. We essentially outlawed extreme poverty when we began setting up the welfare state in the early 20th century, which meant that even if you were unemployed, there would be indiscriminate help given to you as a citizen, to make sure you didn't have to eat your own dog or starve to death on the streets.

After decades of a well functioning, cost effective welfare system, however, we are returning to an era where social provisions are being taken away.

Tax credits are being cut by over a billion a year. Family support by 500 mill pa, disability benefits by 350 mill a year...the list goes on. The resolution foundation has found that while pensioners will see their benefits enshrined, the poorest third of welfare recipients will shoulder 2/3rds of the cuts by 2020.

Meanwhile, local authorities are losing over 40% of their funding, meaning an end to refuges, employment services and social housing. And if you are unjustly treated as thousands are, legal aid has been wiped out and cuts to magistrates courts means you almost certainly won't find justice.

This was a political choice. Even Hammond said as much last week! It means that not only relative poverty but absolute poverty are on the increase, slowly, in the 5th largest economy in the world.

Was it immigrants who made that choice? Was it immigration that drove austerity? No. But it is immigrants, many who have worked, paid tax and even served this country who are being affected, as well as millions of natives.

As the UN commissioner said, open your eyes if you can't see poverty in the UK.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 17 Nov 18 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Was it immigrants who made that choice? Was it immigration that drove austerity? No. But it is immigrants, many who have worked, paid tax and even served this country who are being affected, as well as millions of natives.

As the UN commissioner said, open your eyes if you can't see poverty in the UK.

Firstly....I don't give a flying monkeys what a UN commissioner thinks. I don't just automatically give credence to a credential.

As for immigration, Non EU immigration over the years 1995-2011 cost this country over 118 billion.

How honest were the left over this.....this was revealed over their gritted teeth.

Yes, types and amounts of immigration are damaging to the country. In a world where we have less and less work for low IQ people bringing in low IQ people is just a burden.

I'd have required passed IQ tests and language test passes for immigrants.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 17 Nov 18 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The problem with the left is that they run out of other people's money.

A very famous person once said something like that.

The far left constantly lie about what is possible.....You can't force the wealthy to pay because the wealthy can leave. In the end it's the working class who suffer the most just as it's the working class who have always ended up voting them out.....then they wait around until there are enough young green naive people about to believe their fairy tales for them to become a force again.

If someone like Corbyn gets in.....the wealthy are going to flood out of this country like rats leaving a sinking ship. Investment will flat line.

After a few years of that all this waffle about what poverty is.....well that will seem like a sick joke.


Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2018 5.02pm)

 

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View Joe Bloggs's Profile Joe Bloggs Flag Nr Norwich 17 Nov 18 5.11pm Send a Private Message to Joe Bloggs Add Joe Bloggs as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


if immigrants joining this economy will generate more wealth, how do they generate more Houses ? or generate more single women ?

you been to poverty stricken Dagenham recently ? the high Street seems to be full of blokes , blokes and more blokes. With the odd granny thrown in here and there for decoration.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (17 Nov 2018 3.20pm)

Nothing to do with the point I was making. If 300,000 net immigrants are coming to the UK each year and zero housing exists or are being built to house them,then you have a serious problem. A shortage will exist and prices increase affecting every one.

I have not been down Dagenham street ever, that may be a particular problem to the area but like the wider topic, one that our less than bright politicians have created and not dealt with.

I did not make any comments about immigrants or the creation of wealth.

 

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View Pussay Patrol's Profile Pussay Patrol Flag 17 Nov 18 5.15pm Send a Private Message to Pussay Patrol Add Pussay Patrol as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Very true. We essentially outlawed extreme poverty when we began setting up the welfare state in the early 20th century, which meant that even if you were unemployed, there would be indiscriminate help given to you as a citizen, to make sure you didn't have to eat your own dog or starve to death on the streets.

After decades of a well functioning, cost effective welfare system, however, we are returning to an era where social provisions are being taken away.

Tax credits are being cut by over a billion a year. Family support by 500 mill pa, disability benefits by 350 mill a year...the list goes on. The resolution foundation has found that while pensioners will see their benefits enshrined, the poorest third of welfare recipients will shoulder 2/3rds of the cuts by 2020.

Meanwhile, local authorities are losing over 40% of their funding, meaning an end to refuges, employment services and social housing. And if you are unjustly treated as thousands are, legal aid has been wiped out and cuts to magistrates courts means you almost certainly won't find justice.

This was a political choice. Even Hammond said as much last week! It means that not only relative poverty but absolute poverty are on the increase, slowly, in the 5th largest economy in the world.

Was it immigrants who made that choice? Was it immigration that drove austerity? No. But it is immigrants, many who have worked, paid tax and even served this country who are being affected, as well as millions of natives.

As the UN commissioner said, open your eyes if you can't see poverty in the UK.

excellent, sensible post

The problem is as long as people blame immigration for all the countries problems, governments will get away with it. More and more people are waking up to it but others still don't realise they're being conned.

A bit like the joke:

‘A banker, a worker, and an immigrant are sitting at a table with 20 cookies. ‘The banker takes 19 cookies and warns the worker: “Watch out, the immigrant is going to take your cookie away.”’

 


Why did Tong Po think running at Kurt with a flame would make any difference?

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Originally posted by serial thriller

Very true. We essentially outlawed extreme poverty when we began setting up the welfare state in the early 20th century, which meant that even if you were unemployed, there would be indiscriminate help given to you as a citizen, to make sure you didn't have to eat your own dog or starve to death on the streets.

After decades of a well functioning, cost effective welfare system, however, we are returning to an era where social provisions are being taken away.

Tax credits are being cut by over a billion a year. Family support by 500 mill pa, disability benefits by 350 mill a year...the list goes on. The resolution foundation has found that while pensioners will see their benefits enshrined, the poorest third of welfare recipients will shoulder 2/3rds of the cuts by 2020.

Meanwhile, local authorities are losing over 40% of their funding, meaning an end to refuges, employment services and social housing. And if you are unjustly treated as thousands are, legal aid has been wiped out and cuts to magistrates courts means you almost certainly won't find justice.

This was a political choice. Even Hammond said as much last week! It means that not only relative poverty but absolute poverty are on the increase, slowly, in the 5th largest economy in the world.

Was it immigrants who made that choice? Was it immigration that drove austerity? No. But it is immigrants, many who have worked, paid tax and even served this country who are being affected, as well as millions of natives.

As the UN commissioner said, open your eyes if you can't see poverty in the UK.

serial,
regarding the excellent work(proper)labour carried out in setting up the welfare state is was meant as a safety net against being homeless/poverty stricken.Not the sham it is today.
There was means testing, so you would not be considered if you had a 50'' tv, which you could sell in todays world.
My fathers family as a child had to sell furniture as they had assets effectivly.
If you were unemployed, at the dole office they would present you with options, as in painters, factory,park keeper.
these were available jobs, and you had to choose one, as you effectivly could work.
People cannot cook now, its takeaway.
True poverty does exist, but not as most consider it.
Being self employed, famine or feast, I've fed the family for £20 quid, bit boring-fishfingers, shephers pie & jacket spuds over a whole week, but it were'nt bad.
Ironically most of the immigrants can cook, unlike our lazy underclass we've manufactured over generations.

 


Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 17 Nov 18 5.40pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

How depressing that the UN representative found our politicians 'completely in denial'.

All they have to do is go and see for themselves.


 

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