It isn't either.

Its the cumulative effect of the attitude being displayed by the current version of the Tory party and their refusal to acknowledge the supremacy of Parliament over the executive. Yesterday's debacle was only the tip of the iceberg.

The fact that an individual MP can take a different line to that of the majority of the voters in his constituency in a referendum ought to be vigorously defended by everyone in Parliament, including the government, as the fundamental cornerstone of our democracy. Those electors put that man into Parliament to represent them and not just be a puppet mouthpiece for them. Much more needs to be done to explain and defend that principle.

That Johnson's government encourage the "we will do what the referendum result told us to do" chorus is one of the reasons that people are getting threatened. So that and careless words are the reason. The blame lies solely at the government's door.

It is this that I genuinely struggle to get my head around about people campaigning for a second referendum. It achieves nothing because a precedent for ignoring the result is cemented by holding a second one with Remain on the ballot box. Referendums cease to have any validity and as such, zero credibility. Lets assume Remain win and millions of us refuse to accept that. What are our opponents going to accuse us of? Being undemocratic? Not understanding how it works? LOL. It will be farcical. Part of me actually wants it to happen just to see the pathetic w***ers who wanted it trying to defend it all.

Makes no sense what so ever. Remain lost. That simple. And yet here we are, over three years later and still having this argument. Utterly fraudulent on every conceivable level.

Varients of Leave, that I get. And even a Parliament that decides to revoke A50 because it claims it knows better than the rest of us. Once again, perfectly within its legitimate, if not moral, remit.

But to want us to have to relieve the ghastly ordeal all over again with the losing option of 'Remain' on the ballot paper and then, with straight faces, tell us it will help 'heal' the nation? Simply beyond any logical or rational comprehension.

All the t***s campaigning for a second referendum want it for is to maintain their own self-image as the good guys in all of this. The pretty bright young things. They love the planet, a large % of them are vegans, think Gay people are smashing and just LOVE a tranny along with Muslims (but only the cuddly ones. Not those nasty ones up in Birmingham and protesting outside of schools. Those we don't talk about because if we keep quiet they will just slink away).

But above all else...DEMOCRATS. Passionate believers in the right of people to vote. Encouraging it in fact. Keen for more people to do so.

Until 17.4 million of them do and you don't like the outcome.

For any campaigner for a second referendum reading this then I urge you to find a mirror in your house (I suspect that for most of you this will not be a problem) and take a good hard look at what an utter f***ing w***er looks like. One who is, when all said and done, desperate to over-turn 17.4 million votes. To consign them to the dustbin of political history.

You aint a democrat. You are a Nazi. A Communist. A person who believes that you vote should count for more than mine.

Be honest about that. Celebrate it. Good luck to you. But don't ever kid yourself, anymore, that you are a democrat. Because you ain't.

Oh. And Brexit does not go away until we leave the EU. Might take a few more weeks. Perhaps months. Even years. But we are leaving, come hell or high water. Only question is how much blood do you want on your hands before then?

Edited by Matov (27 Sep 2019 11.23am)

If you don't think that calling someone "arrogant" isn't to insult them, which you do again as you deny insulting me, then I think you need a new dictionary.

Describing attempts to promote cross party co-operation" as "a load to tosh" says all that needs to be said about you. Everyone, whatever their personal political persuasion, really ought to be comfortable with such a concept. Is finding common ground and working towards the common good such a hard thing to accept? It might not work, but it's taking the first step in the right direction. Every journey has to start with a first step.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Sep 2019 5.36pm)

Not necessarily as the crafty deserters to the Lib Dems seem to be moving from their existing seats to ones that they have a better chance of winning.

I imagine that Luciana Berger will get the Jewish vote in Golders Green irrespective of which party she belonged to

If you don't think that calling someone "arrogant" isn't to insult them, which you do again as you deny insulting me, then I think you need a new dictionary.

Describing attempts to promote cross party co-operation" as "a load to tosh" says all that needs to be said about you. Everyone, whatever their personal political persuasion, really ought to be comfortable with such a concept. Is finding common ground and working towards the common good such a hard thing to accept? It might not work, but it's taking the first step in the right direction. Every journey has to start with a first step.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Sep 2019 5.36pm)

Johnson's inheritance was a minority which could operate by bribery of the NI MPs.

Now we have a genuine minority of -43.

That is before yesterday and its effect on lady MPs, expect a further exodus there.

After yesterday, the public, especially women voters, could have turned against the government.

I'm hoping that parliament can really put the boot into Johnson next week.

Who is it now that is running away from a GE?
Oh yes.
The opposition.
Ha ha you've been on the laughing gas.