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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Apr 20 11.56pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 20 Apr 20 12.25am Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The next time certain people drive at 70mph on the highway....just remember you are engaging in an activity that kills thousands every year.

Just imagine that it was your child or a loved one.

So I take it they won't drive at over 30 in future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2020 10.55pm)

Good thing road traffic accidents aren’t highly contagious then.

 

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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 20 Apr 20 12.31am Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's self serving guff from the I'm alright jack types. Nobody with immune issues, or elderly, or vulnerable or looking after anyone in those categories thinks the lockdown was a bad idea. It has allowed us to build capacity and bought valuable time. We'll no doubt start transitioning out of it mid to late next month and that's a good balance I'd say.

The brushing under the carpet with what's going on in care homes is a travesty, no plan, no resources. There was effectively no lockdown period at alll for them and they paid a high price for it.

My grandad was released from a hospital back to his care home the same day there have been the first covid-19 death in the same hospital. Thankfully he was fine and admittedly this was before lockdown, but understand there is still very little testing on elderly patients leaving hospital for unrelated issues corona treatment. Potentially putting someone infected back into a group of very vulnerable people.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Apr 20 12.37am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Good thing road traffic accidents aren’t highly contagious then.

So all traffic accidents just involve the one person then.

Besides the point is about risk management.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Apr 2020 12.42am)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 20 Apr 20 2.17am

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

My grandad was released from a hospital back to his care home the same day there have been the first covid-19 death in the same hospital. Thankfully he was fine and admittedly this was before lockdown, but understand there is still very little testing on elderly patients leaving hospital for unrelated issues corona treatment. Potentially putting someone infected back into a group of very vulnerable people.

Indeed. No plan, no protection, nothing. Carers milling in and out all day and night with zero testing taking place. A recipe for disaster.

Multiple estimates have care home deaths at 6000 -7000 higher than this time last year, though of course where people aren't tested this is an inconvenient truth that can be ignored by those at the helm. A combination of a government avoiding responsibility and a small percentage of people who decide that being inconvenienced for absolutely any period of time is a stretch too far, help to put the most vulnerable in society at risk.

Of course there's a balance between reducing deaths by isolating and the impact of the economy, but clearly action taken thus far isn't all that out there considering the nature of what we're facing. And countries with a "we've got it sussed" attitude like Germany and Japan are fast realising that their numbers are also getting out of control, so if anything they will be in lockdown when we've emerged from it.


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Apr 20 6.14am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Indeed. No plan, no protection, nothing. Carers milling in and out all day and night with zero testing taking place. A recipe for disaster.

Multiple estimates have care home deaths at 6000 -7000 higher than this time last year, though of course where people aren't tested this is an inconvenient truth that can be ignored by those at the helm. A combination of a government avoiding responsibility and a small percentage of people who decide that being inconvenienced for absolutely any period of time is a stretch too far, help to put the most vulnerable in society at risk.

Of course there's a balance between reducing deaths by isolating and the impact of the economy, but clearly action taken thus far isn't all that out there considering the nature of what we're facing. And countries with a "we've got it sussed" attitude like Germany and Japan are fast realising that their numbers are also getting out of control, so if anything they will be in lockdown when we've emerged from it.


The care home deaths are very tragic indeed along with all deaths from C19. Testing kits are available to purchase along with PPE for the correct money. Before the hammering I would gently state that lots of care homes are privately run. They take clinical advice from the NHS bodies but operational running and staffing is their responsibility. Why are they limited on PPE when they had the same info at the same time as the government. Why havent or didnt they have a stock of it. Procurement should be part of this operation. Blaming the government for bad info is one thing but blaming them for your own failings is another. Its like running with the hounds and play with the fox. Profit before care in some cases.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Apr 20 6.18am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The comparison has been made by far more qualified people than me.

But you carry on, don't worry your little self about it....just tell yourself what you wish to.

Kindly post without the insults please

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Apr 20 6.48am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

I totally get the points being made about care homes and it must be very worrying for those with relatives residing in or working in one. However, as far as I am aware, many are privately owned and charge upwards of £1000 per week. Surely then, the owners should be responsible for the well-being of residents and staff ( I would imagine this is a selling point on any literature), therefore should they not be providing PPE from their undoubted high profits? To put the blame solely at the Government’s door is, in my opinion, unfair and letting the owners of the hook.
NHS run homes are of course a different matter

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 20 Apr 20 7.32am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Indeed. No plan, no protection, nothing. Carers milling in and out all day and night with zero testing taking place. A recipe for disaster.

Multiple estimates have care home deaths at 6000 -7000 higher than this time last year, though of course where people aren't tested this is an inconvenient truth that can be ignored by those at the helm. A combination of a government avoiding responsibility and a small percentage of people who decide that being inconvenienced for absolutely any period of time is a stretch too far, help to put the most vulnerable in society at risk.

Of course there's a balance between reducing deaths by isolating and the impact of the economy, but clearly action taken thus far isn't all that out there considering the nature of what we're facing. And countries with a "we've got it sussed" attitude like Germany and Japan are fast realising that their numbers are also getting out of control, so if anything they will be in lockdown when we've emerged from it.


Lies, Damn lies, and statistics. Leaving out a sizable chunk of potential CV-19 deaths from care homes is a convenient way of 'getting things under control'.

And privatisation of previously Government-operated facilities is also distancing authority from due diligence and accountability.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Apr 20 8.34am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

The care home deaths are very tragic indeed along with all deaths from C19. Testing kits are available to purchase along with PPE for the correct money. Before the hammering I would gently state that lots of care homes are privately run. They take clinical advice from the NHS bodies but operational running and staffing is their responsibility. Why are they limited on PPE when they had the same info at the same time as the government. Why havent or didnt they have a stock of it. Procurement should be part of this operation. Blaming the government for bad info is one thing but blaming them for your own failings is another. Its like running with the hounds and play with the fox. Profit before care in some cases.

Because they were guaranteed PPE would be supplied by Local Authorities.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 20 Apr 20 8.35am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I totally get the points being made about care homes and it must be very worrying for those with relatives residing in or working in one. However, as far as I am aware, many are privately owned and charge upwards of £1000 per week. Surely then, the owners should be responsible for the well-being of residents and staff ( I would imagine this is a selling point on any literature), therefore should they not be providing PPE from their undoubted high profits? To put the blame solely at the Government’s door is, in my opinion, unfair and letting the owners of the hook.
NHS run homes are of course a different matter

It is well known most are unprofitable. Often only surviving through charitable cross subsidisation

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Apr 20 9.15am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because they were guaranteed PPE would be supplied by Local Authorities.

So they waited for that email then, not being proactive with their experience; or not as the case seems to be. Local authorities are also somewhat self governed as well. Look at the wages of their bosses compared to MPs wages. What does that tell you about who's in charge.

 

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