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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 8.02am
How's this? After redundancy I had to spend 7 years in a call centre. One of the lines was Macmillan and a clearly (to my ears) male voice demanded to be put through to a nurse and I referred to him as Sir for politeness. They screamed at me that they were she (transgender, not a woman with a deep voice) and threatened to complain and get me sacked. My opinion and manner was the caller was male, but the caller found it abusive. Final note: I can from experience tell you about the forgotten receivers of abuse - the telephone advisor. You can get sworn at, threatened and humiliated and the best you can do is - I'm sorry but if you continue to talk like this I will have to terminate the call.
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Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 8.02am

How's this? After redundancy I had to spend 7 years in a call centre. One of the lines was Macmillan and a clearly (to my ears) male voice demanded to be put through to a nurse and I referred to him as Sir for politeness. They screamed at me that they were she (transgender, not a woman with a deep voice) and threatened to complain and get me sacked. My opinion and manner was the caller was male, but the caller found it abusive.

Final note: I can from experience tell you about the forgotten receivers of abuse - the telephone advisor. You can get sworn at, threatened and humiliated and the best you can do is - I'm sorry but if you continue to talk like this I will have to terminate the call.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 21 8.24am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 "You're not very good at football" - opinion "You f*ing stupid ginger faggot c*, I hope you and your family die" - abuse I think it's pretty easy to differentiate? Some abuse is more likely to get you arrested. Maybe it’s a measure of how society has changed that not that long ago the swear word would have caused more offence than the qualifier. [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

16 Jul 21 8.24am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

"You're not very good at football" - opinion
"You f***ing stupid ginger faggot c***, I hope you and your family die" - abuse

I think it's pretty easy to differentiate?

Some abuse is more likely to get you arrested. Maybe it’s a measure of how society has changed that not that long ago the swear word would have caused more offence than the qualifier.

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 8.25am
Originally posted by Badger11 There are many instances where anonymity is a good thing: - You live in a police state and want to express your dissatisfaction with the regime. - You are LGBT and live in a culture where it is unacceptable to the threat of your life. That could be the Middle East or a former mill town oop north. - Whistle blowing on your employer who routinely trawls social media looking for this stuff. Plenty of complaints that companies like Amazon do this. - Any number of issues you campaign on and might not want family and friends to be aware of e.g. FGM, Forced Marriage or spousal abuse. - Cancer support, you want to engage with others before you are ready to tell your love ones you are going to die. Etc. Good points. In China the state control the Internet, people should not sleep walk into the same situation. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Jul 21 8.25am

Originally posted by Badger11

There are many instances where anonymity is a good thing:

- You live in a police state and want to express your dissatisfaction with the regime.
- You are LGBT and live in a culture where it is unacceptable to the threat of your life. That could be the Middle East or a former mill town oop north.
- Whistle blowing on your employer who routinely trawls social media looking for this stuff. Plenty of complaints that companies like Amazon do this.
- Any number of issues you campaign on and might not want family and friends to be aware of e.g. FGM, Forced Marriage or spousal abuse.
- Cancer support, you want to engage with others before you are ready to tell your love ones you are going to die.

Etc.

Good points.

In China the state control the Internet, people should not sleep walk into the same situation.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 8.48am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Some abuse is more likely to get you arrested. Maybe it’s a measure of how society has changed that not that long ago the swear word would have caused more offence than the qualifier. [Link] John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f*ing black c, when simply fing c* should have sufficed.
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Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 8.48am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Some abuse is more likely to get you arrested. Maybe it’s a measure of how society has changed that not that long ago the swear word would have caused more offence than the qualifier.

[Link]

John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f***ing black c***, when simply f***ing c*** should have sufficed.

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becky over the moon 16 Jul 21 8.56am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f*ing black c, when simply fing c* should have sufficed. Not on Hol it wouldn't! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 16 Jul 21 8.56am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f***ing black c***, when simply f***ing c*** should have sufficed.

Not on Hol it wouldn't!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 9.05am
Originally posted by becky Not on Hol it wouldn't! Contraversial LOL A fine line has been drawn between being descriptive and highlighting someone's colour for abuse purposes. Edited by Slimey Toad (16 Jul 2021 9.10am)
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Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 9.05am

Originally posted by becky

Not on Hol it wouldn't!

Contraversial LOL

A fine line has been drawn between being descriptive and highlighting someone's colour for abuse purposes.

Edited by Slimey Toad (16 Jul 2021 9.10am)

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 10.02am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad Contraversial LOL A fine line has been drawn between being descriptive and highlighting someone's colour for abuse purposes. Edited by Slimey Toad (16 Jul 2021 9.10am) The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck. However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Jul 21 10.02am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Contraversial LOL

A fine line has been drawn between being descriptive and highlighting someone's colour for abuse purposes.

Edited by Slimey Toad (16 Jul 2021 9.10am)

The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck.

However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 16 Jul 21 10.04am
Originally posted by Slimey Toad John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f*ing black c, when simply fing c* should have sufficed. John Terry was swearing as he emerged into the world. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Jul 21 10.04am

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

John Terry made the mistake of calling Anton Ferdinand a f***ing black c***, when simply f***ing c*** should have sufficed.

John Terry was swearing as he emerged into the world.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 10.40am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck. However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in. Dim as feck is more descriptive than pejorative of JT.
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Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 16 Jul 21 10.40am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck.

However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in.

Dim as feck is more descriptive than pejorative of JT.

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Wilesy01 Bristol 16 Jul 21 10.56am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck. However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in. Bringing a person's race/gender/sexuality etc into an arbitrary insult quite directly implies an obvious prejudice. Otherwise why would you do it? And what value does bringing, say, race into an arbitrary insult add any value to it?
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Wilesy01

Bristol 16 Jul 21 10.56am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The idea that abuse is made so much worse by also including a specific part of someone's genetics.....while you can criticise all the other parts is dim as feck.

However, 'dim as feck' is a good abusive description of the society I've grown up in.

Bringing a person's race/gender/sexuality etc into an arbitrary insult quite directly implies an obvious prejudice.

Otherwise why would you do it? And what value does bringing, say, race into an arbitrary insult add any value to it?

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 16 Jul 21 11.01am
Originally posted by Badger11 Sure but I saw a media article the other the police are investigating a post which said "why don't you go back to your own country". * Not exact words but close enough. From what I could see it was abusive but no swearing or skin colour mentioned, how is that a crime? Come on, that's clearly a racist comment Swear words shouldn't be the barometer. I'd rather be told to "f*** off" than to "go back to your own country" La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 16 Jul 21 11.01am

Originally posted by Badger11

Sure but I saw a media article the other the police are investigating a post which said "why don't you go back to your own country". * Not exact words but close enough.

From what I could see it was abusive but no swearing or skin colour mentioned, how is that a crime?

Come on, that's clearly a racist comment
Swear words shouldn't be the barometer. I'd rather be told to "f*** off" than to "go back to your own country"

La la la your mum

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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jul 21 11.12am
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Bringing a person's race/gender/sexuality etc into an arbitrary insult quite directly implies an obvious prejudice. Otherwise why would you do it? And what value does bringing, say, race into an arbitrary insult add any value to it? I'm not sure that argument stands up to scrutiny unless you include just about every characteristic. Prejudice is by no means limited to skin colour or sexuality or behaviour. Most prejudice is aimed toward those that aren't like the majority. That has never been different. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jul 2021 11.15am)
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16 Jul 21 11.12am

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Originally posted by Wilesy01

Bringing a person's race/gender/sexuality etc into an arbitrary insult quite directly implies an obvious prejudice.

Otherwise why would you do it? And what value does bringing, say, race into an arbitrary insult add any value to it?

I'm not sure that argument stands up to scrutiny unless you include just about every characteristic.
Prejudice is by no means limited to skin colour or sexuality or behaviour.

Most prejudice is aimed toward those that aren't like the majority. That has never been different.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jul 2021 11.15am)

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