Both.

And also ourselves. In terms of those grooming gangs, the white community knew what was happening and effectively turned their backs on these girls. Hands up, would have been guilty as charged. Dismissed them as being white trash and ensured my own kids had nothing to do with them. Thoroughly ashamed of that.

Would love to see the stats about how many of these girls came from homes with married parents. Nobody forced white people to stop getting married. Nobody forced white people to have kids without being married first. We allowed ourselves to have our wider culture of family and faith to be destroyed.

I get why we blame all the usual suspects but how and what they do are outside of our immediate remit. We need to look at our own collective behaviour and ask wider questions about why these girls were even in the same orbit as these parasites?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The concept of a group of people who are "Globalists" is a total myth. It's just an excuse used to justify the position of those who haven't come to terms with today's world.

Globalism though does exist. It is the result of the tide of history and the impact of human development.

Resisting it is a futile waste of time and energy. The only way to respond is to harvest its benefits and limit its detriments. Mistakes are inevitable and hindsight just point scoring.

We are where we are. Now we need to deal with that reality and stop complaining about it. The blame game might boost egos, but it does nothing to actually help anyone.

The rape of any girl is a crime which deserves the most severe punishment. The colour of either the victim's, or the criminal's, skin is irrelevant, and to even introduce it is to divert attention from the need to treat these matters for what they are. They are crimes, by criminals on victims. Everyone, from whatever community they live in, whatever the colour of their skin or religion they hold, need to be united in an endeavour to bring the criminals to justice.

So accuse me of being an "idealist" if you must, but better to aim for tomorrow's ideals than retreat into yesterday's failures.

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But you know your comments in second to last paragraph are way off the mark, when it comes to rape gangs. The authorities swept the crimes and any attempt to bring the perpetrators to justice, under the carpet for “ the sake of racial harmony “…. fact. The communities of those involved did nothing to assist in bringing them to justice

Edited by Spiderman (28 Jul 2021 6.57am)

No. You are describing what was. I am suggesting what ought to be.

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Wise words that ought to be heeded by many posting here. Not though really appropriate in this case. Unless you think "describing" and "suggesting" to be "long" words!

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Not really. The quote applies to those whose stated aims are not genuine. I can assure that mine are.

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