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DanH SW2 14 Sep 21 1.43pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yawn. It is simple to understand, even for you. Associating something, easily demonstrable with negative imagery, is a very old trick. It is the only weapon you have to counter reality. "Proponents of the so-called ‘Great Replacement’ theory argue that white European populations are being deliberately replaced at an ethnic and cultural level through migration and the growth of minority communities. This propagation often relies on demographic projections to point to population changes in the West and the possibility that ethnically white populations are becoming minority groups. Certain ethnic and religious groups – primarily Muslims – are typically singled out as being culturally incompatible with the lives of majority groups in Western countries and thus a particular threat." Sounds like you and a certain couple of other posters on here, does it not? The only weapon you have is an age old far-right conspiracy theory.
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DanH

SW2 14 Sep 21 1.43pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yawn. It is simple to understand, even for you.

Associating something, easily demonstrable with negative imagery, is a very old trick. It is the only weapon you have to counter reality.

"Proponents of the so-called ‘Great Replacement’
theory argue that white European populations
are being deliberately replaced at an ethnic and
cultural level through migration and the growth
of minority communities. This propagation often
relies on demographic projections to point to
population changes in the West and the possibility
that ethnically white populations are becoming
minority groups. Certain ethnic and religious
groups – primarily Muslims – are typically singled
out as being culturally incompatible with the lives
of majority groups in Western countries and thus a
particular threat."

Sounds like you and a certain couple of other posters on here, does it not?

The only weapon you have is an age old far-right conspiracy theory.

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 21 1.44pm
Originally posted by DanH And there we go, the great replacement theory once again. Yeah that's right....the demographics aren't changing. In other news, Dan grows some chest hair. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Sep 21 1.44pm

Originally posted by DanH

And there we go, the great replacement theory once again.

Yeah that's right....the demographics aren't changing.

In other news, Dan grows some chest hair.

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DanH SW2 14 Sep 21 1.49pm
Quote Proponents of the Great Replacement theory often draw on conspiracy theories to amplify their messaging, suggesting that progressive politicians, the media and globalists are working concertedly, actively and purposively to destroy native Europeans and their culture(s). They often paint Muslim communities as implicit in these plans because of the perception that they innately desire to destroy Western civilisation. Proponents of the Great Replacement theory frequently overlay it with anti-Semitic theories, blaming ‘globalist Jewish elites’ for mass migration." Quote The Great Replacement theory is inherently dystopian, emphasising migration as the cause of downfall and degradation in society, with governments, tech giants and the media painted as complicit. This dystopian narrative is conjured in three key ways by proponents of the Great Replacement theory: 1. They paint areas with large migrant populations as degraded, and focus on perceived increases in crime and violence, urban decay and economic deprivation in diverse communities. For example, one vlogger commenting on ethnic replacement directly referenced a community cohesion strategy document produced by Birmingham Council in the UK to suggest that ethnic minorities actively hurt the economy of a society: ‘One of the main issues is that areas where there is a “high concentration” of ethnic minority groups, particularly black and Asian communities, have become more disadvantaged.’30 They often highlight the culture nurtured by Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as an exemplar of the inevitable destiny of societies with large Muslim populations. 2. They focus on censorship of extreme-right voices by the government and social media companies to suggest an Orwellian system is being created to permanently silence proponents of the Great Replacement theory. This concept has previously proved highly successful in mobilising far-right actors and demonstrates how proponents of the Great Replacement theory are able to tap effectively into other grievances which are held in extremist communities. 3. They use the cognitive dissonance which arises around the concept that white people are actively and willingly involved in their own destruction to evoke the sense of a mentally ill society. The recently deceased French journalist and New Right theorist Guillaume Faye claimed in a 2015 speech at the white nationalist National Policy Institute32 that Western countries are plagued by a ‘mental illness’, which he labelled ‘ethno-masochism’. According to him, a combination of pro-abortion, pro-LGBT and pro-migration policies have led to the gradual replacement of white people. Quote Proponents of the Great Replacement theory stress the impurity of migrants – in particular from Islamic countries – as the source of supposed decay of Europe. They focus on perceived social, cultural and racial deficiencies of Muslim migrants when compared with white Europeans. In many instances they use the perceived degradation of society in The ‘Great Replacement’: the violent consequences of mainstreamed extremism 13 areas with a diverse population – demonstrated through the misrepresentation of crime statistics and economic disparity – to suggest that migrant communities are directly responsible for this destruction because of some innate and immutable difference. Subsequently they use this argument to suggest explicitly or implicitly that migrant communities are impure and have a polluting effect on the host society. I mean it's almost you two summed up perfectly isn't it? (apologies for the horrific formatting - god knows what happened) Edited by DanH (14 Sep 2021 1.50pm)
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DanH

SW2 14 Sep 21 1.49pm

Quote Proponents of the Great Replacement theory often draw on conspiracy theories to amplify
their messaging, suggesting that progressive
politicians, the media and globalists are working
concertedly, actively and purposively to destroy
native Europeans and their culture(s). They often
paint Muslim communities as implicit in these
plans because of the perception that they innately
desire to destroy Western civilisation. Proponents
of the Great Replacement theory frequently overlay
it with anti-Semitic theories, blaming ‘globalist
Jewish elites’ for mass migration."

Quote The Great Replacement theory is inherently
dystopian, emphasising migration as the cause
of downfall and degradation in society, with
governments, tech giants and the media painted
as complicit. This dystopian narrative is conjured
in three key ways by proponents of the Great
Replacement theory:

1. They paint areas with large migrant populations
as degraded, and focus on perceived increases
in crime and violence, urban decay and
economic deprivation in diverse communities.
For example, one vlogger commenting on
ethnic replacement directly referenced a
community cohesion strategy document
produced by Birmingham Council in the UK
to suggest that ethnic minorities actively hurt
the economy of a society: ‘One of the main
issues is that areas where there is a “high
concentration” of ethnic minority groups,
particularly black and Asian communities, have
become more disadvantaged.’30 They often
highlight the culture nurtured by Islamic State
in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) as an exemplar of the
inevitable destiny of societies with large Muslim
populations.

2. They focus on censorship of extreme-right
voices by the government and social media
companies to suggest an Orwellian system
is being created to permanently silence
proponents of the Great Replacement theory.
This concept has previously proved highly
successful in mobilising far-right actors and
demonstrates how proponents of the Great
Replacement theory are able to tap effectively
into other grievances which are held in extremist
communities.

3. They use the cognitive dissonance which
arises around the concept that white people
are actively and willingly involved in their own
destruction to evoke the sense of a mentally ill
society. The recently deceased French journalist
and New Right theorist Guillaume Faye claimed
in a 2015 speech at the white nationalist
National Policy Institute32 that Western
countries are plagued by a ‘mental illness’, which
he labelled ‘ethno-masochism’. According to
him, a combination of pro-abortion, pro-LGBT
and pro-migration policies have led to the
gradual replacement of white people.

Quote

Proponents of the Great Replacement theory stress
the impurity of migrants – in particular from Islamic
countries – as the source of supposed decay of
Europe. They focus on perceived social, cultural
and racial deficiencies of Muslim migrants when
compared with white Europeans. In many instances
they use the perceived degradation of society in
The ‘Great Replacement’: the violent consequences of mainstreamed extremism 13
areas with a diverse population – demonstrated
through the misrepresentation of crime statistics
and economic disparity – to suggest that migrant
communities are directly responsible for this
destruction because of some innate and immutable
difference. Subsequently they use this argument
to suggest explicitly or implicitly that migrant
communities are impure and have a polluting effect
on the host society.

I mean it's almost you two summed up perfectly isn't it?

(apologies for the horrific formatting - god knows what happened)

Edited by DanH (14 Sep 2021 1.50pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Sep 21 1.54pm
Originally posted by DanH "Proponents of the so-called ‘Great Replacement’ theory argue that white European populations are being deliberately replaced at an ethnic and cultural level through migration and the growth of minority communities. This propagation often relies on demographic projections to point to population changes in the West and the possibility that ethnically white populations are becoming minority groups. Certain ethnic and religious groups – primarily Muslims – are typically singled out as being culturally incompatible with the lives of majority groups in Western countries and thus a particular threat." Sounds like you and a certain couple of other posters on here, does it not? The only weapon you have is an age old far-right conspiracy theory. That is the most nonsensical drivel I have seen today and that is saying something. The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing. At this rate, the latter will absorb the former at some point. This is not debatable, it is inevitable. Only an idiot would argue with basic maths. Leftists idiots want to hide this fact by talking about 'the Far Right'. Most of them can't even add up, so I doubt they invented it.
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14 Sep 21 1.54pm

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Originally posted by DanH

Sounds like you and a certain couple of other posters on here, does it not?

The only weapon you have is an age old far-right conspiracy theory.

That is the most nonsensical drivel I have seen today and that is saying something.

The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing. At this rate, the latter will absorb the former at some point. This is not debatable, it is inevitable.
Only an idiot would argue with basic maths.

Leftists idiots want to hide this fact by talking about 'the Far Right'.

Most of them can't even add up, so I doubt they invented it.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Sep 21 1.57pm
Originally posted by kuge Immigration in the past was not tiny. Edited by kuge (14 Sep 2021 12.20pm) True. It was often devastating. Both in cultural and genetic terms. Apache, Navajo, Celtic Britons from Kent, Gauls in Brittany , the original Southern Spaniards before the Vandals , etc etc...... its a warlike rollercoaster. Which parts of Britain have already been colonized ? Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 14 Sep 21 1.57pm

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Originally posted by kuge

Immigration in the past was not tiny.

Edited by kuge (14 Sep 2021 12.20pm)

True. It was often devastating. Both in cultural and genetic terms.

Apache, Navajo, Celtic Britons from Kent, Gauls in Brittany , the original Southern Spaniards before the Vandals , etc etc......

its a warlike rollercoaster.

Which parts of Britain have already been colonized ?

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Stirlingsays 14 Sep 21 2.02pm
Originally posted by kuge The thing about racism is you either choose to pretend that it does not exist and that therefore any effect that it might have must also not exist or you take the position that an influx of immigrants will result in racial tension therefore we should curtail all immigration. You appear to want to have it both ways. Racism is tribal preference demonized and indoctrinated into western societies initially by the communists but now its tenets are supported by the whole political class....any serious analysis shows how ridiculous the whole thing is....practically Maoist. European nations have less tribal preference than any other nations in the world, yet they are subject to this nonsense, precisely because interests know this weakness allows them in.....it's an excuse, if they actually believed in racism they would be investigating the groups where tribal preference is highest...but they aren't interested. In terms of the UK, it doesn't really matter what I want, the European country of my birth is dying because of the unspoken interests of the ideological left and the economic right. It's far too late to stop. However, for Japan, it isn't......they shouldn't let their society be abused by those who seek to radically change it.....and automation will largely solve their population issues....as stated, increasing immigration is a self defeating pyramid scheme. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 2.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Sep 21 2.02pm

Originally posted by kuge

The thing about racism is you either choose to pretend that it does not exist and that therefore any effect that it might have must also not exist or you take the position that an influx of immigrants will result in racial tension therefore we should curtail all immigration. You appear to want to have it both ways.

Racism is tribal preference demonized and indoctrinated into western societies initially by the communists but now its tenets are supported by the whole political class....any serious analysis shows how ridiculous the whole thing is....practically Maoist.

European nations have less tribal preference than any other nations in the world, yet they are subject to this nonsense, precisely because interests know this weakness allows them in.....it's an excuse, if they actually believed in racism they would be investigating the groups where tribal preference is highest...but they aren't interested.

In terms of the UK, it doesn't really matter what I want, the European country of my birth is dying because of the unspoken interests of the ideological left and the economic right. It's far too late to stop.

However, for Japan, it isn't......they shouldn't let their society be abused by those who seek to radically change it.....and automation will largely solve their population issues....as stated, increasing immigration is a self defeating pyramid scheme.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Sep 2021 2.03pm)

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Teddy Eagle 14 Sep 21 2.07pm
To take a different tack on this I miss the way London used to be. Maybe it’s just getting older because let’s face it London in the 1970s was a grey and pretty miserable place which could be dangerous if you went to the wrong places but it was home. Accepting all the cliches about the inevitability of change I miss the way things were and don’t see why this should be dismissed or demonised as racism or xenophobia or anything other than nostalgia for a disappeared world. Maybe I just miss being young.
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14 Sep 21 2.07pm

To take a different tack on this I miss the way London used to be. Maybe it’s just getting older because let’s face it London in the 1970s was a grey and pretty miserable place which could be dangerous if you went to the wrong places but it was home.
Accepting all the cliches about the inevitability of change I miss the way things were and don’t see why this should be dismissed or demonised as racism or xenophobia or anything other than nostalgia for a disappeared world.
Maybe I just miss being young.

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DanH SW2 14 Sep 21 2.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is the most nonsensical drivel I have seen today and that is saying something. The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing. At this rate, the latter will absorb the former at some point. This is not debatable, it is inevitable. Only an idiot would argue with basic maths. Leftists idiots want to hide this fact by talking about 'the Far Right'. Most of them can't even add up, so I doubt they invented it. All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch. [Link] Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form.
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DanH

SW2 14 Sep 21 2.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is the most nonsensical drivel I have seen today and that is saying something.

Leftists idiots want to hide this fact by talking about 'the Far Right'.

Most of them can't even add up, so I doubt they invented it.

All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch.

[Link]

Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Sep 21 2.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing. . new arrivals and sky-high fertility for some groups. Often with high rates of longterm unemployment. Other groups ? not reproducing, and often saying 'feck this, i am out of here' Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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PalazioVecchio

south pole 14 Sep 21 2.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The existing population is shrinking, and the immigrant population is growing.

new arrivals and sky-high fertility for some groups. Often with high rates of longterm unemployment.

Other groups ? not reproducing, and often saying 'feck this, i am out of here'

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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kuge Peckham 14 Sep 21 2.26pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger London is not representative of Britain. Have you ever seen old films of crowd scenes before the 1940s? You will hardly see a Black face. Some immigrants are White of course, but most people in this country have a genetic heritage going back hundreds if not thousands of years. That is about to change. You seem to be obsessed with Huguenots, and that's not surprising since they are White Protestant and European. Hardly any different to the existing population and with the added bonus of skills. Yes, we can see why you are obsessed with them. We all know that migrants have been coming here for years. Yes, a trickle have been coming here for centuries when Britain had a tiny population and there was an abundance of land and resources. This is not just about crime. It's about politics, culture, religion, sectarianism, resources, national security and the very survival of the existing population. The current trend will mean that the existing population will be virtually replaced in a few generations. Those that are here will struggle for housing, water, energy, and health care. You want to argue about Romans and quibble about crime statistics, but the bigger picture is about much more. I wonder if the Beaker people told the locals how lucky they were to get new technology, or if Homo Sapiens provided statistics to the Neanderthals to show them that they had nothing to worry about. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 12.54pm) Yes, London is not representative of Britain, however, London and a few other major cities are where the majority of immigrants have settled. If I was presenting data about Dorset or Wales you would quite rightly say that it was not relevant. London has been a cosmopolitan city since at least 1500 if not earlier. Films of crowds in the 1940s are not imperial data, it’s just an anecdotal observation of no real value. I am sure that you are aware of this and to be frank, I am surprised that you think this is worth mentioning. Most people in Britain have rather diverse genetic profiles, this shows us how much our ancestors moved around in the past. I am not obsessed with Huguenots, but let’s face it they as a case study fascinating. If we are going to discuss immigration the Huguenots represent one of the largest groups to have come to Britain in the past few hundred years. We can, however, if you wish discuss Jews, Irish, Jamaicans, Ugandan Asians, Chinese or Italians. Sometimes you want to look at the ‘bigger picture’ which I take to mean immigration to Britain over a long period and then you want to go back to just the post war period. The arrival of Beaker culture did indeed bring advanced technology and whist I am sure some locals failed to see the benefits others embraced it. Not wishing, in particular, to return to the Romans, the technology that they introduced was not valued much by the ‘locals’ once they had left.
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Peckham 14 Sep 21 2.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

London is not representative of Britain.

Have you ever seen old films of crowd scenes before the 1940s? You will hardly see a Black face. Some immigrants are White of course, but most people in this country have a genetic heritage going back hundreds if not thousands of years. That is about to change.

You seem to be obsessed with Huguenots, and that's not surprising since they are White Protestant and European. Hardly any different to the existing population and with the added bonus of skills. Yes, we can see why you are obsessed with them.

We all know that migrants have been coming here for years. Yes, a trickle have been coming here for centuries when Britain had a tiny population and there was an abundance of land and resources.
This is not just about crime. It's about politics, culture, religion, sectarianism, resources, national security and the very survival of the existing population.
The current trend will mean that the existing population will be virtually replaced in a few generations. Those that are here will struggle for housing, water, energy, and health care.

You want to argue about Romans and quibble about crime statistics, but the bigger picture is about much more.

I wonder if the Beaker people told the locals how lucky they were to get new technology, or if Homo Sapiens provided statistics to the Neanderthals to show them that they had nothing to worry about.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Sep 2021 12.54pm)

Yes, London is not representative of Britain, however, London and a few other major cities are where the majority of immigrants have settled. If I was presenting data about Dorset or Wales you would quite rightly say that it was not relevant. London has been a cosmopolitan city since at least 1500 if not earlier.

Films of crowds in the 1940s are not imperial data, it’s just an anecdotal observation of no real value. I am sure that you are aware of this and to be frank, I am surprised that you think this is worth mentioning.

Most people in Britain have rather diverse genetic profiles, this shows us how much our ancestors moved around in the past.

I am not obsessed with Huguenots, but let’s face it they as a case study fascinating. If we are going to discuss immigration the Huguenots represent one of the largest groups to have come to Britain in the past few hundred years. We can, however, if you wish discuss Jews, Irish, Jamaicans, Ugandan Asians, Chinese or Italians.

Sometimes you want to look at the ‘bigger picture’ which I take to mean immigration to Britain over a long period and then you want to go back to just the post war period.

The arrival of Beaker culture did indeed bring advanced technology and whist I am sure some locals failed to see the benefits others embraced it. Not wishing, in particular, to return to the Romans, the technology that they introduced was not valued much by the ‘locals’ once they had left.

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BlueJay UK 14 Sep 21 2.29pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle To take a different tack on this I miss the way London used to be. Maybe it’s just getting older because let’s face it London in the 1970s was a grey and pretty miserable place which could be dangerous if you went to the wrong places but it was home. Accepting all the cliches about the inevitability of change I miss the way things were and don’t see why this should be dismissed or demonised as racism or xenophobia or anything other than nostalgia for a disappeared world. Maybe I just miss being young. Many are so driven by their politics they 'miss' times before they were even alive. At least you miss a period you experienced and more importantly one that actually existed in a real and lived way. A salient and thoughtful point on age too. Do we miss our favourite songs because they're better, or because of what they meant to us at a different stage of life.. Not that any of this means that society should change at a pace that citizens of it are unhappy with.. However the realities of life have to also sit alongside our ideals and emotions. Where the latter turns us against people based on their race and the like in unhealthy ways, we need to take a step back. Most are sane enough to not develop such malignancy to begin with though and those that do typically just don't like people in general. Having extra, often nonsensical, reasons to distance themselves from others is just a bonus for them. Edited by BlueJay (14 Sep 2021 2.30pm)
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UK 14 Sep 21 2.29pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Many are so driven by their politics they 'miss' times before they were even alive. At least you miss a period you experienced and more importantly one that actually existed in a real and lived way.

A salient and thoughtful point on age too. Do we miss our favourite songs because they're better, or because of what they meant to us at a different stage of life..

Not that any of this means that society should change at a pace that citizens of it are unhappy with.. However the realities of life have to also sit alongside our ideals and emotions. Where the latter turns us against people based on their race and the like in unhealthy ways, we need to take a step back. Most are sane enough to not develop such malignancy to begin with though and those that do typically just don't like people in general. Having extra, often nonsensical, reasons to distance themselves from others is just a bonus for them.

Edited by BlueJay (14 Sep 2021 2.30pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Sep 21 2.31pm
Originally posted by DanH All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch. [Link] Those paragraphs I posted are exactly the theories that are posted on here - almost to the letter. They are old as day far right conspiracy theories based on fear and disinformation. It is online radicalisation in its purest form. So what you are suggesting is that population replacement is a figment of someone's imagination. [Link] European populations among others are not having enough children to sustain themselves. The increase in population is all due to immigration and the offspring of those immigrants. What do you think will happen if current trends continue or increase, as is most likely? I know you would rather post propaganda than accept facts, but that has always been your problem.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Sep 21 2.31pm

Originally posted by DanH

All the quotes I posted are from a report by the Institute for Strategic Dialogue following the terrorist attack in Christchurch.

[Link]

So what you are suggesting is that population replacement is a figment of someone's imagination.

[Link]

European populations among others are not having enough children to sustain themselves. The increase in population is all due to immigration and the offspring of those immigrants.
What do you think will happen if current trends continue or increase, as is most likely?

I know you would rather post propaganda than accept facts, but that has always been your problem.

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