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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 8.32pm
Originally posted by cryrst So because they all wanted to remain they are Good! Is that your line for good or bad? Personally it's quite a thin line but hey all to their own opinions I guess. Of course not. They might all be possessed of common sense but other than that......? It was in response to the suggestion the only reason he is criticising Johnson is that he is a "bitter remainer". For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 11 Feb 22 8.32pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So because they all wanted to remain they are Good!
Is that your line for good or bad? Personally it's quite a thin line but hey all to their own opinions I guess.

Of course not. They might all be possessed of common sense but other than that......?

It was in response to the suggestion the only reason he is criticising Johnson is that he is a "bitter remainer".

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 11 Feb 22 8.35pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Johnson had two speeches prepared for referendum night. One for leave if it was successful, and the other one for remain if likewise. Johnson relies on the publics gullibility he thinks he can get away with anything. And he's right they even gave him a massive majority, even the tory rags had doubts about him. It had nothing to do with the rags; it was us, the people who chose. All gullible voters I guess?
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cryrst

The garden of England 11 Feb 22 8.35pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson had two speeches prepared for referendum night.

One for leave if it was successful, and the other one for remain if likewise.

Johnson relies on the publics gullibility he thinks he can get away with anything.

And he's right they even gave him a massive majority, even the tory rags had doubts about him.

It had nothing to do with the rags; it was us, the people who chose. All gullible voters I guess?

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silvertop Portishead 11 Feb 22 8.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What you mean is that you would rather everyone buries their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. We have a Tory government who pretends to be tough on mass immigration and yet allows it to carry on year on year. Meanwhile, people complain about housing shortages, crime, racism, low wages and traffic congestion. All directly related to mass immigration. Meanwhile, the likes of Wisbech try to pretend that this vast yearly increase in the immigrant population and rapid reduction of the European population will miraculously reverse, and we won't go the way of the Neanderthal. I eagerly await the 2021 census results this spring. I wonder how you and the government will try to spin the results. Perhaps they will come up with some new definitions for immigrants to make them sound more British. Is it not also a consequence of people living forever? There's the rub Hrolf. An expanding retired population with commensurate increasing need for tax funded services but a diminishing working population to provide the tax money. Soem of this is resolved by automation. Not enough. You voted against the workforce being refreshed by literate Europeans. So how-to you propose the NHS and state pension will be funded without immigration? I am not against you on this. Climate change and a rise in sea level will trigger mass global population movements. Thus where will Bagladeshi folk go if part of the fertile Ganges Delta falls under salt water?
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Portishead 11 Feb 22 8.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What you mean is that you would rather everyone buries their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening.

We have a Tory government who pretends to be tough on mass immigration and yet allows it to carry on year on year.

Meanwhile, people complain about housing shortages, crime, racism, low wages and traffic congestion. All directly related to mass immigration.
Meanwhile, the likes of Wisbech try to pretend that this vast yearly increase in the immigrant population and rapid reduction of the European population will miraculously reverse, and we won't go the way of the Neanderthal.

I eagerly await the 2021 census results this spring. I wonder how you and the government will try to spin the results. Perhaps they will come up with some new definitions for immigrants to make them sound more British.

Is it not also a consequence of people living forever?

There's the rub Hrolf. An expanding retired population with commensurate increasing need for tax funded services but a diminishing working population to provide the tax money.

Soem of this is resolved by automation. Not enough. You voted against the workforce being refreshed by literate Europeans. So how-to you propose the NHS and state pension will be funded without immigration?

I am not against you on this. Climate change and a rise in sea level will trigger mass global population movements. Thus where will Bagladeshi folk go if part of the fertile Ganges Delta falls under salt water?

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Stirlingsays 11 Feb 22 10.07pm
Originally posted by silvertop Is it not also a consequence of people living forever? There's the rub Hrolf. An expanding retired population with commensurate increasing need for tax funded services but a diminishing working population to provide the tax money. Soem of this is resolved by automation. Not enough. You voted against the workforce being refreshed by literate Europeans. So how-to you propose the NHS and state pension will be funded without immigration? I am not against you on this. Climate change and a rise in sea level will trigger mass global population movements. Thus where will Bagladeshi folk go if part of the fertile Ganges Delta falls under salt water? We don't know how much automation will cover an aging population. It Depends upon the advance of technology and what the elites want society to be. The big issue about immigration....if we ignore all the ethnic stuff I tackled earlier in the thread.....is the simple fact that it's a ponzi scheme....which I'm sure you realise as well. Immigrants get old too....you can't keep importing ever greater numbers of young foreigners European or otherwise because it's unsustainable....they all want pensions too. The answer to this was native birth rates allied with automation....and birth rates decades ago....some countries outside the western sphere of influence have long since woken up to this....birth rates are the key.....but not in the west because they have different goals. The other temporary measure is guest worker systems that don't allow naturalization and where the time limits are actually enforced...Japan has taken this route. Though in Japan...because they gave a feck... you can actually tell who isn't Japanese most of the time. I could go on about the rot social liberalism and certain aspects of feminism have closed doors for western societies but many books have been written on it and it makes no difference.....the current moves in the direction big money wishes to flow. Those who think these things forward realise that the constant kicking of the can down the road doesn't end in new highways but rather dead ends. Or we could just listen to the hippies and those waffling distractions on utopian ideas that never worked. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Feb 22 10.07pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Is it not also a consequence of people living forever?

There's the rub Hrolf. An expanding retired population with commensurate increasing need for tax funded services but a diminishing working population to provide the tax money.

We don't know how much automation will cover an aging population. It Depends upon the advance of technology and what the elites want society to be.

The big issue about immigration....if we ignore all the ethnic stuff I tackled earlier in the thread.....is the simple fact that it's a ponzi scheme....which I'm sure you realise as well. Immigrants get old too....you can't keep importing ever greater numbers of young foreigners European or otherwise because it's unsustainable....they all want pensions too.

The answer to this was native birth rates allied with automation....and birth rates decades ago....some countries outside the western sphere of influence have long since woken up to this....birth rates are the key.....but not in the west because they have different goals.

The other temporary measure is guest worker systems that don't allow naturalization and where the time limits are actually enforced...Japan has taken this route. Though in Japan...because they gave a feck... you can actually tell who isn't Japanese most of the time.

I could go on about the rot social liberalism and certain aspects of feminism have closed doors for western societies but many books have been written on it and it makes no difference.....the current moves in the direction big money wishes to flow.

Those who think these things forward realise that the constant kicking of the can down the road doesn't end in new highways but rather dead ends.

Or we could just listen to the hippies and those waffling distractions on utopian ideas that never worked.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.19pm)

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 11 Feb 22 10.31pm
Originally posted by cryrst It had nothing to do with the rags; it was us, the people who chose. All gullible voters I guess? FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!"
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Any european country i fancy! 11 Feb 22 10.31pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It had nothing to do with the rags; it was us, the people who chose. All gullible voters I guess?

FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!"

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Stirlingsays 11 Feb 22 10.36pm
Originally posted by croydon proud FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!" CP....you do realise that you've written 'any EU country I fancy'....yet you're still in the one that choose Brexit. It obviously didn't bother you that much did it......and apparently we have the fastest recovering economy in the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Feb 22 10.36pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

CP....you do realise that you've written 'any EU country I fancy'....yet you're still in the one that choose Brexit.

It obviously didn't bother you that much did it......and apparently we have the fastest recovering economy in the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.40pm)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Feb 22 4.35am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays CP....you do realise that you've written 'any EU country I fancy'....yet you're still in the one that choose Brexit. It obviously didn't bother you that much did it......and apparently we have the fastest recovering economy in the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.40pm) I picked out that statistic from the news yesterday. "Fastest recovering". Measured over what time frame? And when the UK was one of the worst impacted, then it's a lot easier to see a massive growth (statistically), however small. And while I'm very happy for the economy, inflation is really high, coupled with petrol prices and gas and falling/static wages in many sectors.(if indeed, you were lucky enough to hold on to your job). And do the figures for the economy also take into account the lessened burden of pensions, due to all those old people dying of covid. **Not having a pop at stirling, but am critiquing how statistics can be manipulated to suit most agendas. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Feb 2022 6.28am) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

CP....you do realise that you've written 'any EU country I fancy'....yet you're still in the one that choose Brexit.

It obviously didn't bother you that much did it......and apparently we have the fastest recovering economy in the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2022 10.40pm)

I picked out that statistic from the news yesterday. "Fastest recovering". Measured over what time frame? And when the UK was one of the worst impacted, then it's a lot easier to see a massive growth (statistically), however small.

And while I'm very happy for the economy, inflation is really high, coupled with petrol prices and gas and falling/static wages in many sectors.(if indeed, you were lucky enough to hold on to your job).
And do the figures for the economy also take into account the lessened burden of pensions, due to all those old people dying of covid. **Not having a pop at stirling, but am critiquing how statistics can be manipulated to suit most agendas.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Feb 2022 6.28am)

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Feb 22 6.05am
Originally posted by croydon proud FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!" Brexit and the pandemic you wrote. I wonder which had the worst effect? Maybe you could put a bit more meat on the bone. Stories like this do exactly what the press want don't they!
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The garden of England 12 Feb 22 6.05am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Brexit and the pandemic you wrote. I wonder which had the worst effect? Maybe you could put a bit more meat on the bone. Stories like this do exactly what the press want don't they!

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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Feb 22 7.42am
Originally posted by croydon proud FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!" MFI and Multiyorke both went bust before Brexit what's your point? One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 12 Feb 22 7.42am

Originally posted by croydon proud

MFI and Multiyorke both went bust before Brexit what's your point?

One more point

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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Feb 22 7.43am
Originally posted by croydon proud FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!" Was that copied directly from a newspaper or article? The BBC version is grammatically correct, somehow your version is full of errors, bizarre. [Link] As a matter of interest, the ex MFI Factory, now Wren Kitchens in Barton Upon Humber is flourishing and needs more skilled workers. Edited by HKOwen (12 Feb 2022 7.48am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 12 Feb 22 7.43am

Originally posted by croydon proud

Was that copied directly from a newspaper or article?

The BBC version is grammatically correct, somehow your version is full of errors, bizarre.

[Link]

As a matter of interest, the ex MFI Factory, now Wren Kitchens in Barton Upon Humber is flourishing and needs more skilled workers.

Edited by HKOwen (12 Feb 2022 7.48am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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The Dolphin Online 12 Feb 22 7.45am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle He has every bit as much right to express an opinion as anyone. As you just have. The problems you identify were inherited at a time when Thatcherism was becoming unpopular and Labour under John Smith, and then Tony Blair, were looking like a fresh, new alternative. His "sleaze" was personal, which he apologised for and was ashamed of. Professionally he had integrity and a belief in democracy that is sadly missing today. Johnson deserves all the criticism which is coming his way, and more. Past Tory PMs must be turning in their graves seeing this clown in No 10. Major, Cameron and May are the only ones still alive. All wanted us to remain in the EU. Maybe they knew something! May and Major are openly critical of Johnson, who believes in nothing at all. Wisbech - his sleaze wasn't personal - we didn't learn of that until 2002 and it was before he was PM. Read about the facts - cash for questions, ministerial conduct under his leadership with affairs and a lot more going on. to come out with this crap for no reason while Boris is on foreign soil is unacceptable but John Major is a spineless man who just wants Boris gone - for the wrong reasons. In summary - facts - read them - and timing!
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12 Feb 22 7.45am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He has every bit as much right to express an opinion as anyone. As you just have.

The problems you identify were inherited at a time when Thatcherism was becoming unpopular and Labour under John Smith, and then Tony Blair, were looking like a fresh, new alternative.

His "sleaze" was personal, which he apologised for and was ashamed of. Professionally he had integrity and a belief in democracy that is sadly missing today.

Johnson deserves all the criticism which is coming his way, and more. Past Tory PMs must be turning in their graves seeing this clown in No 10. Major, Cameron and May are the only ones still alive. All wanted us to remain in the EU. Maybe they knew something! May and Major are openly critical of Johnson, who believes in nothing at all.

Wisbech - his sleaze wasn't personal - we didn't learn of that until 2002 and it was before he was PM.
Read about the facts - cash for questions, ministerial conduct under his leadership with affairs and a lot more going on.
to come out with this crap for no reason while Boris is on foreign soil is unacceptable but John Major is a spineless man who just wants Boris gone - for the wrong reasons.
In summary - facts - read them - and timing!

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 22 7.53am
Originally posted by croydon proud FURNITUREFACTORY WORKERS MADE REDUNDANT! About 150 workers at a furniture factory have been made redundant with immediate effect. Staff at Sven Christiansen in Dudleysaod they were gutted when they were told during a meeting on 4 February. " I felt like i"d had my stomach ripped out", wood machinest Ian Ellis said,I have a younf family to support". Managing director William o brien said the situation was "desperately sad" and that the business was facing huge debt as a result of BREXIT and the pandemic. Oh well, Dudley? Lets hope they all voted out out out!" “ our problem was not lack of business but a huge build up of debt due to the pandemic “
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Horsham 12 Feb 22 7.53am

Originally posted by croydon proud

“ our problem was not lack of business but a huge build up of debt due to the pandemic “

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