I think that's probably the loosest definition of 'wisdom' I have ever encountered. My preferred choice of wording would be 'collective will'.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Your opinion. I suspect that most voters expect their MPs to carry out what they said in their manifestos and when they don't and they fail to call for a by election the voters punish them at the next opportunity.

I presume you saw nothing wrong in Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems abandoning a key pledge to abolish tuition fees because in your words "What you might expect of an MP makes no difference to what their job actually is."

Funny because the electorate disagreed with you Clegg and his gang were sacked at the earliest available opportunity.

To repeat I am not against an MP changing their mind on a major policy or deciding to joining another party but if they expect the public to support them they need to do the decent thing and resign and fight a by election on that issue.

By the way your view on MPs stems from Edmund Burke who said it after he was elected and then got sacked at the next GE. He's was just an opinion as well, Burke is often quoted by both sides however he also did some pretty representable things maybe in the future MPs will quote Boris, who knows.

Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 9.30am)

One more point

While I appreciate you're being facetious, certainly a persons view of mass immigration often has very little to do with their perception of race. Many non white Brits are against it also. The simplistic pushed view of immigration as that of keeping others races out full stop is just a tactic used to end the debate before it begins. There are countless reasons why mass immigration is a bad idea for an Island. Resources, cultural, practicality, jobs, housing, an assumption that it's a given.. The list goes on. It helps to get people on board with the bulk, rather than this 'we only like our own' fringe. That is the other side of the coin that derails sensible discussion and policies ever coming to fruition ..

It's important to note that a view on immigration doesn't have to bleed into unworkable ideas and aversions about Brits of other races. Some unfortunately allow themselves to be brought into that fold.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Jun 2022 11.18am)

Precisely. There should be no automatical assumption that, regardless of who it is, if you reach somewhere by illegal means, then that's fine. It of course causes more to do the same and becomes an industry and bigger problem than ever. What wound up happening essentially.

Agreed. A major issue with our membership of the EU was the obligation to accept all people from the EU, the vast majority of whom were white Christians - where was the racism in that?

I'm not going to pretend I knew all of these techniques ages ago.
I didn't.
I just wish more of us could recognise them when they're applied.

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Of course, one or two of you will think I don't need to watch this. There's no way the wool gets pulled over MY eyes.