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Stirlingsays Online 14 Dec 18 7.55pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Day-trippers to France can expect to be body-searched for any presence of the English sandwich, an affront to mankind. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays Online

14 Dec 18 7.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Day-trippers to France can expect to be body-searched for any presence of the English sandwich, an affront to mankind.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Pussay Patrol 14 Dec 18 8.09pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle You are posting absolute drivel. The forms are likely to take one minute to fill out and will either be submitted online or completed on the plane. You really are scraping the barrel for something to moan about whilst it may only be a minor inconvenience (or not) i'm coming from the angle that we voted to do this. Just remind yourself of EU Bureaucracy when you're filling out your form Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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14 Dec 18 8.09pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are posting absolute drivel. The forms are likely to take one minute to fill out and will either be submitted online or completed on the plane.

You really are scraping the barrel for something to moan about

whilst it may only be a minor inconvenience (or not) i'm coming from the angle that we voted to do this.

Just remind yourself of EU Bureaucracy when you're filling out your form

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.21pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I believe you are 7 years out of date Badger. Indeed. Interestingly it was possible to claim pacifist status and do 2 or 3 years in social services instead.
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.21pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I believe you are 7 years out of date Badger.

Indeed. Interestingly it was possible to claim pacifist status and do 2 or 3 years in social services instead.

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.22pm
Originally posted by chris123 Rare roast beef and horseradish? Forget the horseradish. It's all grown in Austria.
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.22pm

Originally posted by chris123

Rare roast beef and horseradish?

Forget the horseradish. It's all grown in Austria.

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.23pm
Originally posted by chris123 We're net importers of beef. I'm sure that'll be a lot of comfort to British beef farmers.
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.23pm

Originally posted by chris123

We're net importers of beef.

I'm sure that'll be a lot of comfort to British beef farmers.

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep...thank god for Brexit. Two fingers to the EU. No need to leave Wisbech when the place resembles downtown Lublin eh Stirling?
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep...thank god for Brexit.

Two fingers to the EU.

No need to leave Wisbech when the place resembles downtown Lublin eh Stirling?

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chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 18 8.28pm
Originally posted by steve1984 Forget the horseradish. It's all grown in Austria. We grow own.
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hove actually 14 Dec 18 8.28pm

Originally posted by steve1984

Forget the horseradish. It's all grown in Austria.

We grow own.

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becky over the moon 14 Dec 18 8.28pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I attended a lecture yesterday If there is a no deal Brexit, sheep and beef farming will immediately become untenable, especially sheep. Almost all of our exports are to the EU and the farmers are dependent upon EU buyers taking the body parts that Brits don't find appetising. The farmers will also lose most of their financial supports instantly. The effect will happen in advance of the Brexit date as the market will immediately discount Quite literally all sheep and beef farms in 'less favourable areas' will go into negative income and presumably simply shut That would certainly change our green and pleasant land. Hill farming for example will simply be no more. Instantly. Anyone that currently enjoys the Kent countryside better watch out too. Even lowland farming will become barely tenable. This isn't scare-mongering, it is research undertaken by the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, you can watch the lecture on YouTube. Furthermore, under WTO rules we can't prevent lower quality foreign foods entering our system. As a result we will be inundated with e.g. the chlorinated chickens and a whole load of other very dubious products that sell very cheaply. So unless our indigenous farmers come up with some kind of amazing marketing ploy they are toast. I guarantee Rees Mogg won't be feeding his children the stuff that is going to end up on most supermarket shelves. In theory the EU also can't prevent the entry of such foods but through scale and clever politics it has been managing to do so. The advantage of being part of a bloc. On the positive side, we are taking back control. As long as we abide by WTO rules that prevent us from controlling our trade. Well, according to my butcher (this is in Somerset where sheep farming is massive and he buys direct from the farmer) they don't just take the parts that Brits find unappetising. Because we produce the finest lamb in the EU, and because many of the EU countries are more selective in their purchase of meat (butchers rather than supermarket cheap stuff), farmers are able to command around 100+ Euros per whole carcass - much better pricing than the UK will pay. Without the EU market, they should easily be able to outsell New Zealand imports (the currently cheaper option for the UK). The tragedy is that, in major cities there are so few decent butchers left to sell this lamb - I know when I left Sydenham 10 years ago, my nearest non-halal butchers were in Thornton Heath or West Wickham(and the Thornton Heath one has now gone I believe). Or maybe they could transfer all those green fields to goat farming instead...... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 14 Dec 18 8.28pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I attended a lecture yesterday

If there is a no deal Brexit, sheep and beef farming will immediately become untenable, especially sheep. Almost all of our exports are to the EU and the farmers are dependent upon EU buyers taking the body parts that Brits don't find appetising. The farmers will also lose most of their financial supports instantly.

The effect will happen in advance of the Brexit date as the market will immediately discount

Quite literally all sheep and beef farms in 'less favourable areas' will go into negative income and presumably simply shut

That would certainly change our green and pleasant land. Hill farming for example will simply be no more. Instantly. Anyone that currently enjoys the Kent countryside better watch out too.

Even lowland farming will become barely tenable.

This isn't scare-mongering, it is research undertaken by the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, you can watch the lecture on YouTube.

Furthermore, under WTO rules we can't prevent lower quality foreign foods entering our system. As a result we will be inundated with e.g. the chlorinated chickens and a whole load of other very dubious products that sell very cheaply. So unless our indigenous farmers come up with some kind of amazing marketing ploy they are toast. I guarantee Rees Mogg won't be feeding his children the stuff that is going to end up on most supermarket shelves.

In theory the EU also can't prevent the entry of such foods but through scale and clever politics it has been managing to do so. The advantage of being part of a bloc.

On the positive side, we are taking back control. As long as we abide by WTO rules that prevent us from controlling our trade.

Well, according to my butcher (this is in Somerset where sheep farming is massive and he buys direct from the farmer) they don't just take the parts that Brits find unappetising. Because we produce the finest lamb in the EU, and because many of the EU countries are more selective in their purchase of meat (butchers rather than supermarket cheap stuff), farmers are able to command around 100+ Euros per whole carcass - much better pricing than the UK will pay. Without the EU market, they should easily be able to outsell New Zealand imports (the currently cheaper option for the UK).

The tragedy is that, in major cities there are so few decent butchers left to sell this lamb - I know when I left Sydenham 10 years ago, my nearest non-halal butchers were in Thornton Heath or West Wickham(and the Thornton Heath one has now gone I believe).

Or maybe they could transfer all those green fields to goat farming instead......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.28pm
Originally posted by Badger11 One thing I will not give up is my birth right. I am English and proud of it I don't get why people want another passport unless they are planning on moving to that country. By holding dual British / Hungarian citizenship I will retain the ability to live and work in the EU and travel around it without having to fill in forms and pay 7 Euros. Other than that, no reason at all. ...and then come back. Edited by steve1984 (14 Dec 2018 8.29pm)
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.28pm

Originally posted by Badger11

One thing I will not give up is my birth right. I am English and proud of it I don't get why people want another passport unless they are planning on moving to that country.

By holding dual British / Hungarian citizenship I will retain the ability to live and work in the EU and travel around it without having to fill in forms and pay 7 Euros. Other than that, no reason at all.

...and then come back.

Edited by steve1984 (14 Dec 2018 8.29pm)

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.29pm
Originally posted by chris123 We grow own. So do I
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.29pm

Originally posted by chris123

We grow own.

So do I

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chris123 hove actually 14 Dec 18 8.31pm
Originally posted by steve1984 So do I I don't grow my own beef though, sadly.
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hove actually 14 Dec 18 8.31pm

Originally posted by steve1984

So do I

I don't grow my own beef though, sadly.

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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.32pm
Originally posted by becky this is in Somerset Finding a proper butcher is a lot easier in the west country that's for sure. Originally posted by becky Or maybe they could transfer all those green fields to goat farming instead...... We'd need a lot more West Indians and the Home Office keeps sending them back. Edited by steve1984 (14 Dec 2018 8.34pm)
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steve1984 14 Dec 18 8.32pm

Originally posted by becky

this is in Somerset

Finding a proper butcher is a lot easier in the west country that's for sure.

Originally posted by becky

Or maybe they could transfer all those green fields to goat farming instead......

We'd need a lot more West Indians and the Home Office keeps sending them back.

Edited by steve1984 (14 Dec 2018 8.34pm)

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