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 cryrst  The garden of England 29 Sep 23 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This old Chesnut again! He didn't actually say that did he? Neather stated that his words had been twisted: "The main goal was to allow in more migrant workers at a point when—hard as it is to imagine now—the booming economy was running up against skills shortages. Somehow this has become distorted by excitable Right-wing newspaper columnists into being a "plot" to make Britain multicultural. There was no plot". In other words the Telegraph were doing pretty much the same as the Mail. Winding up the right! That it seems to have succeeded doesn't make it true. Being over 80 why would you actually give a s***. When you are watching your family getting absolutely rinsed from heaven you will admit you were wrong, but then, unless you are warren beatty you will have to cry into your handkerchief.
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georgenorman  29 Sep 23 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Being over 80 why would you actually give a s***. When you are watching your family getting absolutely rinsed from heaven you will admit you were wrong, but then, unless you are warren beatty you will have to cry into your handkerchief. I don't think they will let him in heaven.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 29 Sep 23 7.18pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Personal dislike of a media outlet doesn't nullify its output. Who suggested it did? Commenting on its quality, truthfulness and ulterior motives doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact. Only too obviously and very unfortunately the Mail does. 30 years ago a friend of mine, now retired, was a senior sub-editor at another newspaper but moved to the Mail because of the contract he was offered. His own politics are a long way from the Mail's but as a professional journalist he learned their style and did his job. He had to often hold his nose though.
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Teddy Eagle  29 Sep 23 8.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who suggested it did? Commenting on its quality, truthfulness and ulterior motives doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact. Only too obviously and very unfortunately the Mail does. 30 years ago a friend of mine, now retired, was a senior sub-editor at another newspaper but moved to the Mail because of the contract he was offered. His own politics are a long way from the Mail's but as a professional journalist he learned their style and did his job. He had to often hold his nose though. Obviously a man of principle. He should have worked for the BBC and formed a team with Martin Bashir.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 10.15am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Being over 80 why would you actually give a s***. When you are watching your family getting absolutely rinsed from heaven you will admit you were wrong, but then, unless you are warren beatty you will have to cry into your handkerchief. I am not planning on going anywhere soon and when I do want to feel our world is going to allow those I leave behind to live well. My own family is much more leftwards in outlook than me. Both my daughters despise the Tories and dispair of hard right attitudes. They would laugh at your comment.
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| cryrst The garden of England 30 Sep 23 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not planning on going anywhere soon and when I do want to feel our world is going to allow those I leave behind to live well. My own family is much more leftwards in outlook than me. Both my daughters despise the Tories and dispair of hard right attitudes. They would laugh at your comment. Despise! no give and take then. Just believing their own opinions, a bit like their father.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Obviously a man of principle. He should have worked for the BBC and formed a team with Martin Bashir. He struggled with his conscience but had a family to support and a talent which enabled him to do it. Working for the Mail didn't stop him from opposing their politics in his private life. I don't think a comparison with Bashir is really appropriate.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Sep 23 10.40am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I don't think they will let him in heaven. At least where's he's going he won't have to worry about the gas appliances and the heating bills.
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| Teddy Eagle 30 Sep 23 11.25am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He struggled with his conscience but had a family to support and a talent which enabled him to do it. Working for the Mail didn't stop him from opposing their politics in his private life. I don't think a comparison with Bashir is really appropriate. Sure. Working for a paper he didn't like, adding spin he didn't believe to stories he didn't want to print for readers he didn't trust in support of politics he didn't believe in.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 10.19pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Sure. Working for a paper he didn't like, adding spin he didn't believe to stories he didn't want to print for readers he didn't trust in support of politics he didn't believe in. That’s what professional journalists do. He was a sub editor so his job was to rewrite a story into the house style and make it fit the space allocated to it by the editor. Any spinning was done by the journalist and editor. He was headhunted because he was good at his job. A bit like all the players going off to play in Saudi. He was there when Paul Dacre was the editor and had some stories to tell. It makes me laugh to read posters here bleating about the way the “elites” are controlling us when their favourite msm source Is owned by someone like Lord Rothermere. You don’t get much more elite than that. His forefathers opposed votes for women and various other progressive ideas we now take for granted. As well as supporting Oswald Mosley.
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| Wisbech Eagle Online Truro Cornwall 30 Sep 23 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Despise! no give and take then. Just believing their own opinions, a bit like their father. Like me they are pragmatic and accept that compromise is often necessary to get things done.
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| Teddy Eagle 30 Sep 23 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s what professional journalists do. He was a sub editor so his job was to rewrite a story into the house style and make it fit the space allocated to it by the editor. Any spinning was done by the journalist and editor. He was headhunted because he was good at his job. A bit like all the players going off to play in Saudi. He was there when Paul Dacre was the editor and had some stories to tell. It makes me laugh to read posters here bleating about the way the “elites” are controlling us when their favourite msm source Is owned by someone like Lord Rothermere. You don’t get much more elite than that. His forefathers opposed votes for women and various other progressive ideas we now take for granted. As well as supporting Oswald Mosley. But why work somewhere when he disagreed so vehemently with their editorial policy? If he was headhunted by one paper surely he could have got a job on another where he didn't have to hold his nose as much.
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