Oh come on Bexter, liberal attitudes towards dangerous sex offenders and their all-important rights ensures that one of these monsters could be living next door to young children and the family have no right to know! It's called Rule 43! Remove liberal attitudes from the equation and you end up with a hard line and that hard line is likely to mean JUSTICE!

Edited by Petealiator (12 Mar 2004 11:17am)

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pete - i wasn't saying that they aren't to blame, i just wanted you to explain! jeez..... i'm not blaming anything, or not blaming anything here!

interesting you bring up the liberal church in this country. i am working on a documentary about just that right now and to show the opposite of the views of the church here and in america, we went to nigeria - where the church is about as unliberal as you can get. tell me there's no abuse in that country?!

You could also ask if the internet should be regulated and not just open to abuse from certain individuals.
You can find material for any sick, sexual perversion you have on the internet and not enough is done to stop it (no jseedy jokes please pikey).
On the other hand, the beauty of the internet is partly due to the freedom that it's users have. Who has the right to decide how much freedom we're allowed?

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Having read every single post on this topic from beginning to end it's clear to see that we all have different views about the evil that exists in this world.

Petealiator got the thread going with an immediate and well meaning warm hearted response to a very emotional programme. I to watched it and was transfixed to the screen with my eyes welling up. The story is sad enough itself but what really got to me was the reaction of the parents, more so Holly's father, Kevin. I remember the events when it happened and I remember thinking to myself then just how dignified, strong and brave he was being able to keep it together for the sake of his family including Holly when all the time his whole world was being ripped apart in front of a watching nation. He continues to be dignified, strong and brave and has so much respect from me, I wish I could be that strong.

Petealiator's original post said it all and I wish I could express myself in the way that you did, you got it spot on mate so thanks for putting down my thoughts. But the reaction of Banana, although a controversial one, I thought was unfairly kicked in to touch by a lot of you. It's such a difficult subject to discuss (particulary via the internet) but I don't think Banana should be turned upon just because he/she's trying to find the good in the evilest of evil.It takes a very kind and good person to do that so think more about the person Banana is rather than whether or not you agree with the view they've expressed. I don't agree with him/her but he/she does make a lot of valid points about today's society and although I don't agree with all of them I don't dismiss any of them. This time yesterday I would've done but Kevin Wells is a man I now aspire to be like.

He's a warm-hearted, caring, emotional, intelligent family man who has had his world turned upside down but still remains dignified in his search for answers. From watching the programme I believe Kevin would share a lot of the views Banana has expressed which is why I believe Banana should not be brought down for how he/she sees the world. Not once did Kevin call Huntley a monster (he may think it as the majority of us do but never said it), he never reacted like a man who was intent on revenge - 2 wrongs don't make a right (a lot of us would make that our main goal) and seemed to share the view like Banana that society should take it's fair share of the blame for evil like Huntley being allowed to do what he did to two innocent and helpless children. His past was known to officials. Why wasn't something done? Huntley is evil and sick and was an explosion waiting to happen. He should've been cared for/watched/looked after from day one once his sickness was known. It's not Huntley's fault that he wasn't. Yes he know's the diference between right and wrong and as far I'm concerned he can rot in hell for all I care and it would be one less evil to worry about, but there are people in this country who's job it is to stop children like Holly & Jessica being preyed upon by evil like that. Why wasn't the job done? And I think Kevin Wells is more worried about that than what he wants to do to Huntley so this tragedy never happens again.

Edited by Selhurst Stallion (12 Mar 2004 12:47pm)

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Well, where do I start? First, They still choose to abuse kids. If I see a woman I want to f***, I don't kidnap and rape her. Some men do, but they are not all distrubed. Second, It is as often a personality flaw as mental illness. e.g. Feelings of inadequacy that might lead to paedophilia. However, not all people with paedophile urges act upon them. Last; though a number were certainly abused as children not all of them were, and not all abused children go on to abuse others.

I know some really cannot help it, but others constantly choose to put themselves in situations where they are tempted and give in to their urges.

I have unfortunatly met a number through my previous work and many of them were scarily neither severely distrubed nor mentally ill. That is how they can fit in so easily. They are bsically normal, except for one dangerous problem.

Edited by NickinOX (12 Mar 2004 1:00pm)

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