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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 19 5.45pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I can see you are struggling here Stirling Here is a little helping hand. The data I have seen on ethnicity and income is a bit dated but I can provide it as well if that helps with the exception of the Indian ethnic group, people from an ethnic minority were more likely than White British people to live in the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England pakistani and Bangladeshi people were over 3 times more likely than White British people to live in the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England pakistani and Bangladeshi people were also over 3 times more likely than White British people to live in the most income-deprived neighbourhoods, and pakistani people were more than twice as likely as White British people to live in the most employment-deprived areas Indian people were least likely to be living in both the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England and the most employment-deprived neighbourhoods White British people were least likely to be living in the most income-deprived neighbourhoods of England You have missed the point and chosen different metrics so that you can ignore the reality of what I stated. Attachment: stats.JPG (41.31Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 19 5.45pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I can see you are struggling here Stirling

Here is a little helping hand. The data I have seen on ethnicity and income is a bit dated but I can provide it as well if that helps

with the exception of the Indian ethnic group, people from an ethnic minority were more likely than White British people to live in the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England

pakistani and Bangladeshi people were over 3 times more likely than White British people to live in the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England

pakistani and Bangladeshi people were also over 3 times more likely than White British people to live in the most income-deprived neighbourhoods, and pakistani people were more than twice as likely as White British people to live in the most employment-deprived areas

Indian people were least likely to be living in both the most deprived 10% of neighbourhoods in England and the most employment-deprived neighbourhoods

White British people were least likely to be living in the most income-deprived neighbourhoods of England

You have missed the point and chosen different metrics so that you can ignore the reality of what I stated.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Feb 19 6.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No it isn't, it shows that it's white children at the bottom who are succeeding less at education. Fine, but you’re making a subtly different point there to win an argument Educational under performance is not exclusively caused by economic or social hardship and It’s therefore a bit of a stretch to say that because A then B. It’s less of a stretch with the other data, especially as your chart actually supports it - despite certain minorities being worse off than anyone else they still have better exam results than those above them, ie the white british. Your chart requires more assumptions to support it, the other data is far more fact based considering the question you’re trying to answer. Which was not ‘who performs worst in GCSE exams’ - note, no link to social or financial consideration as it’s not in the study. Having said all that what were the sample sizes. Could both be dross Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 15 Feb 19 6.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No it isn't, it shows that it's white children at the bottom who are succeeding less at education.

Fine, but you’re making a subtly different point there to win an argument

Educational under performance is not exclusively caused by economic or social hardship and It’s therefore a bit of a stretch to say that because A then B. It’s less of a stretch with the other data, especially as your chart actually supports it - despite certain minorities being worse off than anyone else they still have better exam results than those above them, ie the white british.

Your chart requires more assumptions to support it, the other data is far more fact based considering the question you’re trying to answer. Which was not ‘who performs worst in GCSE exams’ - note, no link to social or financial consideration as it’s not in the study.

Having said all that what were the sample sizes. Could both be dross

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Feb 19 6.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You have missed the point and chosen different metrics so that you can ignore the reality of what I stated. I believe I was answering this point: The bottom sector in British society are the poor working class whites. I see nothing here to do with eductional performance. I think you have gone on a ramble, sampling the beers again?
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Croydon 15 Feb 19 6.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have missed the point and chosen different metrics so that you can ignore the reality of what I stated.

I believe I was answering this point:

The bottom sector in British society are the poor working class whites.

I see nothing here to do with eductional performance. I think you have gone on a ramble, sampling the beers again?

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.TUX. 15 Feb 19 7.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 The world economy is starting to slow down retail sales in the US have declined and China is also slowing down. But no doubt this is all the fault of Brexit. This is soooooo last year Buy Litecoin.
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15 Feb 19 7.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The world economy is starting to slow down retail sales in the US have declined and China is also slowing down. But no doubt this is all the fault of Brexit.

This is soooooo last year

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.TUX. 15 Feb 19 7.58pm
Originally posted by chris123 Even more laughter - Germany one decimal point from being in a recession. When Germany sneezes the rest of the EU zone better stock up on some Vit C. Germany are in recession bud (as i posted a while ago). The news choosing to report that they aren't is par for the course considering the fragile nature of everything EU atm. Buy Litecoin.
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15 Feb 19 7.58pm

Originally posted by chris123

Even more laughter - Germany one decimal point from being in a recession. When Germany sneezes the rest of the EU zone better stock up on some Vit C.

Germany are in recession bud (as i posted a while ago).
The news choosing to report that they aren't is par for the course considering the fragile nature of everything EU atm.

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 19 8.01pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I believe I was answering this point: The bottom sector in British society are the poor working class whites. I see nothing here to do with eductional performance. I think you have gone on a ramble, sampling the beers again? I was non specific, you challenged the contention I provided the proof.....you continued your denial and choose your own metrics.....that's ok....I know the reasons your statistics are why they are. And I know the reasons why my statistics are how they are......In a sense arguing the toss with you playing 'my data is worse than your data' is kind of moot. The point that Momentum are full of awful people was good enough for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 8.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 19 8.01pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I believe I was answering this point:

The bottom sector in British society are the poor working class whites.

I see nothing here to do with eductional performance. I think you have gone on a ramble, sampling the beers again?

I was non specific, you challenged the contention I provided the proof.....you continued your denial and choose your own metrics.....that's ok....I know the reasons your statistics are why they are.

And I know the reasons why my statistics are how they are......In a sense arguing the toss with you playing 'my data is worse than your data' is kind of moot.

The point that Momentum are full of awful people was good enough for me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 8.06pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Feb 19 9.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The point that Momentum are full of awful people was good enough for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 8.06pm) On that we certainly agree I am sure they are well intentioned
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Croydon 15 Feb 19 9.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The point that Momentum are full of awful people was good enough for me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2019 8.06pm)

On that we certainly agree

I am sure they are well intentioned

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Stirlingsays 15 Feb 19 9.22pm
Originally posted by Mapletree On that we certainly agree I am sure they are well intentioned Yep...most people are. It's only Brighton supporters who we have to worry about. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Feb 19 9.22pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

On that we certainly agree

I am sure they are well intentioned

Yep...most people are.

It's only Brighton supporters who we have to worry about.

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chris123 hove actually 15 Feb 19 9.29pm
Originally posted by .TUX. Germany are in recession bud (as i posted a while ago). The news choosing to report that they aren't is par for the course considering the fragile nature of everything EU atm. I know, I was replying to one of steels non sequiturs.
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hove actually 15 Feb 19 9.29pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Germany are in recession bud (as i posted a while ago).
The news choosing to report that they aren't is par for the course considering the fragile nature of everything EU atm.

I know, I was replying to one of steels non sequiturs.

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.TUX. 15 Feb 19 9.46pm
Originally posted by chris123 I know, I was replying to one of steels non sequiturs. Ah, soz bud Buy Litecoin.
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15 Feb 19 9.46pm

Originally posted by chris123

I know, I was replying to one of steels non sequiturs.

Ah, soz bud

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ChuFukka 15 Feb 19 9.47pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Jobs lost as a result of Brexit or those job losses conveniently blamed on Brexit? You claim that house prices have been stagnant as if that's a bad thing and sterling may be weaker but that helps exporters as it makes our prices more competitive Just for clarification, this isn’t actually strictly true. It’s getting into the weeds of trade economics a little bit, but the Marshall-Lerner identity only holds in the long run. In the short run, weak Sterling will almost always increase the size of the deficit (look into the J-curve for an explanation of why). In the long run, the theory goes, the J completes and export value goes up - ceteris paribus. If, however, Sterling has depreciated because of (amongst other things) the anticipation of higher barriers in the future, the trade deficit might always be unambiguously worse. Not digging you out but this is a mistake that I keep seeing go uncorrected, even in supposedly well-informed discussions.
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15 Feb 19 9.47pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Jobs lost as a result of Brexit or those job losses conveniently blamed on Brexit?

You claim that house prices have been stagnant as if that's a bad thing and sterling may be weaker but that helps exporters as it makes our prices more competitive

Just for clarification, this isn’t actually strictly true.

It’s getting into the weeds of trade economics a little bit, but the Marshall-Lerner identity only holds in the long run. In the short run, weak Sterling will almost always increase the size of the deficit (look into the J-curve for an explanation of why). In the long run, the theory goes, the J completes and export value goes up - ceteris paribus. If, however, Sterling has depreciated because of (amongst other things) the anticipation of higher barriers in the future, the trade deficit might always be unambiguously worse.

Not digging you out but this is a mistake that I keep seeing go uncorrected, even in supposedly well-informed discussions.

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.TUX. 15 Feb 19 10.09pm
Originally posted by ChuFukka Just for clarification, this isn’t actually strictly true. It’s getting into the weeds of trade economics a little bit, but the Marshall-Lerner identity only holds in the long run. In the short run, weak Sterling will almost always increase the size of the deficit (look into the J-curve for an explanation of why). In the long run, the theory goes, the J completes and export value goes up - ceteris paribus. If, however, Sterling has depreciated because of (amongst other things) the anticipation of higher barriers in the future, the trade deficit might always be unambiguously worse. Not digging you out but this is a mistake that I keep seeing go uncorrected, even in supposedly well-informed discussions. .........it's a fiat currency ie worthless. Soz, couldn't resist. Buy Litecoin.
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15 Feb 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by ChuFukka

Just for clarification, this isn’t actually strictly true.

It’s getting into the weeds of trade economics a little bit, but the Marshall-Lerner identity only holds in the long run. In the short run, weak Sterling will almost always increase the size of the deficit (look into the J-curve for an explanation of why). In the long run, the theory goes, the J completes and export value goes up - ceteris paribus. If, however, Sterling has depreciated because of (amongst other things) the anticipation of higher barriers in the future, the trade deficit might always be unambiguously worse.

Not digging you out but this is a mistake that I keep seeing go uncorrected, even in supposedly well-informed discussions.

.........it's a fiat currency ie worthless.
Soz, couldn't resist.

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