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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

You are not obliged to read, or comment, on my replies. I won't be offended.

It makes laugh when people like you are always trying to explain yourselves.
Your reasons or explanations are meant to clarify your intentions.(letting me know that you won't be offended by me is a prime example) However, they become justifications or excuses instead, and are completely unnecessary and uncalled for, considering that the person you’re talking to doesn’t care

Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 12.21pm)

That's OK then because I don't care about your opinion either. I am glad that we can end in agreement.

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Apr 19 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Have we left yet?

Soon, Real soon.........

 


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Park Road Flag 28 Apr 19 3.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's OK then because I don't care about your opinion either. I am glad that we can end in agreement.


What you talking about? We are not ending anything my egotistical chum.
It's your obvious delusion of grandeur and excuses that keep me interested.

What I have highlighted in your response (in bold)is your narcissistic childish whimsical and obsessive way of getting even.

Let me make myself clear we have never been in agreement... and nothing has ended

Edited by Park Road (28 Apr 2019 3.27pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 28 Apr 19 3.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I don't believe anything this guy says anymore. He even speaks up for those that lie and shape narratives so essentially it's people like him who are the problem.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Apr 19 4.04pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn't say I had it tough. Having witnessed real poverty elsewhere in the world by people who still manage to stay happy I, and just about everyone else in the UK, have nothing to complain about.

I was responding to the suggestion I was middle class and "entitled" when my background is far from that.

Perhaps I am self righteous but that's grown over the years with my confidence, which was sadly lacking in my youth. I am confident of my opinions and not intimidated by others, no matter if I am in a minority of one. When I see bs I say so. If it makes anyone stop and think then I am happy.

I don't expect to change your mind either. As my "attitude" is to resist any drift towards a divided, untruthful, selfish, uncaring society, which takes us backwards, I see any determination to resist it something which itself needs to be fiercely resisted, by reason and well structured argument. UK politics has gradually evolved to ensure a fairer more inclusive society and I for one am determined that progress will be continued. The kind of politics promoted by the likes of Farage, Rees Mogg, Cash et al is an affront to decency and to me. I see it in the USA with Trump and I don't want it established here. Fortunately I see a very much smaller group of people here who are in the bubble of believing in Trump like solutions than in the USA. There is a small hard core, of which you are one, and a current softer outer circle because of Brexit, who will drift away to the centre again once this is all over.

It won't be us as individuals who will decide. It will be at the ballot box. I will be doing my best never fear.

But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different.

I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 28 Apr 19 5.17pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different.

I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society.

What if they are factual but inconvenient?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Apr 19 7.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What if they are factual but inconvenient?

For example?

 

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deleted user Flag 28 Apr 19 9.16pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Have we left yet?

5 or 6 more holidays and a couple of extensions and they might remember that they're supposed to be sorting it.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 28 Apr 19 9.20pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

For example?

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deleted user Flag 28 Apr 19 9.22pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Seems currently the whole debate is revolving round technicalities like "it was an advisory referendum" and "people where lied to". Fair points but for me they aren't strong enough to reverse the result of the referendum.

As a nation that's very slowly moving towards leaving the EU I think that people's vote and the EU really have to offer something substantial to reverse the decision to a leave. There needs to be a carrot. Continually beating the UK with a stick doesn't change people's feelings towards the EU.

If we leave or agree a decent deal, there's always the option to revisit the decision years down the line, so the panic stations attitude by some is OTT. This dream of pulling the plug on the decision of the public, or having another vote, leaves so many people disenfranchised that it's just not viable in my view. Then again politicians do whatever is convenience for themselves and their interests so god only knows what the eventual outcome will be.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Apr 19 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But not the Referendum on Brexit because that is different.

I am not hardcore anything political. I just oppose people who promote their deluded nonsense that is ruining out Western society.

As I have explained elsewhere no referendum has any legal force in the UK. It's relevance depends solely on the commitments made to respect it. Commitments which can be withdrawn in the light of events.

Therefore the only ballot box which matters is that we use when choosing who represents us.

Far from "ruining Western society" it's being protected in the mother of parliaments. In re-enforcing the principal that parliament is sovereign we are protecting ourselves from the kind of autocracy that is emerging elsewhere. This is a battle which is very important and absolutely must be won. I give due credit to those brave MPs who are standing up to the pressure of the whips and the system and doing what they believe is right for us.

 


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deleted user Flag 28 Apr 19 9.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I have explained elsewhere no referendum has any legal force in the UK. It's relevance depends solely on the commitments made to respect it. Commitments which can be withdrawn in the light of events.

Therefore the only ballot box which matters is that we use when choosing who represents us.

Far from "ruining Western society" it's being protected in the mother of parliaments. In re-enforcing the principal that parliament is sovereign we are protecting ourselves from the kind of autocracy that is emerging elsewhere. This is a battle which is very important and absolutely must be won. I give due credit to those brave MPs who are standing up to the pressure of the whips and the system and doing what they believe is right for us.

You're right in the sense that is was advisory, but take an eventuality where the result was more aligned with your preference and remain had won. Would you still be saying that the result means nothing? A monumental number of people voted one way or the other, so that certainly means something as to the value that the general public attributed to it.

I don't disagree that voting in or out a party can result in significant change too, but when parties do not uphold their end of the bargain to begin with and in fact hold very opaque views on an issue, what exactly does that vote count for or achieve either?


 

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