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 chris123  hove actually 03 Oct 19 9.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Sounds like a movie idea. Francis Urquhartish?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 9.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I don’t know if thread title changing has reduced your need to repeat yourself over what might be true, but isn’t how it’s always been understood and communicated by MP’s over a long time, and they know it, but this post gets more of an audience. Trouble is that what I’ve highlighted is exactly the problem with the EU and why many people won’t point the finger at Boris. The EU deserve it and so obviously they will try and trap us inside the EU. (Start getting memories of fools telling us to remain to reform the EU) I can assure you that I will continue to post in exactly the same way whatever the title is. I tend to regard the childishness as a backhanded compliment because that's the kind of thing that people do when they have run out of arguments. It happens quite often here. AS I have just said elsewhere I think this is a misunderstanding of the EU's position. We are leaving them and not them leaving us. So the ball is entirely in our court to find the solution. They already have and it wasn't their fault we rejected it. We know what they can and cannot accept and it's up to us to find ways to meet their requirements that we can get through Parliament.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Oct 19 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can assure you that I will continue to post in exactly the same way whatever the title is. I tend to regard the childishness as a backhanded compliment because that's the kind of thing that people do when they have run out of arguments. It happens quite often here. AS I have just said elsewhere I think this is a misunderstanding of the EU's position. We are leaving them and not them leaving us. So the ball is entirely in our court to find the solution. They already have and it wasn't their fault we rejected it. We know what they can and cannot accept and it's up to us to find ways to meet their requirements that we can get through Parliament. Do you not think they’re trying to make it difficult or even impossible?
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 03 Oct 19 9.30pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Do you not think they’re trying to make it difficult or even impossible? Why does that even matter?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Do you not think they’re trying to make it difficult or even impossible? No I don't. I think they are very frustrated and incredibly patient. If I was PM I would be finding a way to swallow my pride and get the "May" deal over the line because it's the only one that has a chance of flying. I have never understood what the objections to the backstop are. We are already a sovereign state and leaving would just confirm that. The backstop is intended to be a temporary protection to be used only if the detailed negotiations run over time. Should they do that, and we believed that the reason was down to EU intransigence, then what would stop us simply enacting new UK legislation that removed our commitment to honour the backstop requirements and then default to the WTO rules? Am I missing something?
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Teddy Eagle  03 Oct 19 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No I don't. I think they are very frustrated and incredibly patient. If I was PM I would be finding a way to swallow my pride and get the "May" deal over the line because it's the only one that has a chance of flying. I have never understood what the objections to the backstop are. We are already a sovereign state and leaving would just confirm that. The backstop is intended to be a temporary protection to be used only if the detailed negotiations run over time. Should they do that, and we believed that the reason was down to EU intransigence, then what would stop us simply enacting new UK legislation that removed our commitment to honour the backstop requirements and then default to the WTO rules? Am I missing something? Possibly the fact that if leaving was an easy thing to accomplish their whole house of cards might collapse?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Oct 19 11.55pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Possibly the fact that if leaving was an easy thing to accomplish their whole house of cards might collapse? I cannot think of another EU country where part of it is separated by a sea but has a border with another member. Where there is a long history of violence caused by those conditions. Therefore any other country wanting to leave would not face these issues. I think we are unique in having them. Do you see any similar issues elsewhere? So I don't see this as an attempt to just throw up barriers to discourage others. As a side issue just imagine what might happen if, as it might very well in the not too distant future, Scotland holds another independence referendum with the nationalists promising to rejoin the EU? They would likely win but how on earth do we operate that border if the UK government accede to their wishes? Would Wales then want to follow suit? There's no evidence yet of a strong nationalist movement there but I can imagine it taking root after a successful Scottish rejoin. All hypothetical of course but Brexit is a big can of worms.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 12.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I cannot think of another EU country where part of it is separated by a sea but has a border with another member. Where there is a long history of violence caused by those conditions. Therefore any other country wanting to leave would not face these issues. I think we are unique in having them. Do you see any similar issues elsewhere? So I don't see this as an attempt to just throw up barriers to discourage others. As a side issue just imagine what might happen if, as it might very well in the not too distant future, Scotland holds another independence referendum with the nationalists promising to rejoin the EU? They would likely win but how on earth do we operate that border if the UK government accede to their wishes? Would Wales then want to follow suit? There's no evidence yet of a strong nationalist movement there but I can imagine it taking root after a successful Scottish rejoin. All hypothetical of course but Brexit is a big can of worms. I suspect the situation for Scotland would be complicated by the EUs concern over separatist movements throughout Europe but particularly in Spain and France. There is also the question of currency as Scotland would have to join the Euro if no special deal could be made and the SNP haven’t been keen on that.
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| dreamwaverider London 04 Oct 19 5.48am |
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THe issue we all must accept that was never considered when the referendum was made is that our current political system and complexities of the UK will never enable a Brexit.
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 6.09am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you have just identified a basic misconception that exists in many minds at the moment. Certainly in those of some posters here but also in government. It's not for the Irish or the EU as a whole to suggest a solution. They have laid out their requirements and we have to find a way to meet them. The UK is leaving the EU and not the EU leaving the UK. The EU wants the UK to leave in a way which causes them, and us, the least harm So if we leave the EU without a deal who's problem does the Irish border become then as we will have fulfilled our obligations to the Irish by not having border checks and the problem becomes that of the EU
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| sickboy Deal or Croydon 04 Oct 19 7.09am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
So if we leave the EU without a deal who's problem does the Irish border become then as we will have fulfilled our obligations to the Irish by not having border checks and the problem becomes that of the EU The irish will cave in for another large loan, never to be repaid.
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 7.20am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I cannot think of another EU country where part of it is separated by a sea but has a border with another member. Where there is a long history of violence caused by those conditions. I must have had it wrong for all these years as I thought that the history of violence was due to mutually religious hatred
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