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 sickboy  Deal or Croydon 04 Oct 19 7.26am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I must have had it wrong for all these years as I thought that the history of violence was due to mutually religious hatred Glad to see you're finally falling into line midland.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 19 7.40am |
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As predicted Remainers are putting the blame solely on Johnson's head without a breath of criticism of the EU. Question: when was the last time a prominent Remainer actually criticised the EU? Leavers criticise their side all the time and most of us are realistic to know that our politicians are far from perfect. It would be nice just occasionally to hear an EU supporter voice the mildest of criticism of their side that maybe just maybe the EU could be a little more proactive? Back to the issue in hand if the EU never wanted a deal then they have played a blinder. If however they do want a deal then it is not enough to keep saying to the UK government not good enough go away and came back with another idea. How about about making your own suggestions on what is acceptable other than the back stop which our Parliament has rejected 3 times. Still all to play for but no deal looking increasingly likely. Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2019 8.16am)
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 7.51am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Still all to play for but no deal looking increasingly likely. If we leave without a deal and the EU refuse to put up any borders in Ireland I think that I will change professions and become a smuggler as there will be fortunes to be made smuggling goods over the non existent border. No doubt the more dim witted remainers will start spouting off that it was Boris's plan all along as he's backed by an international smuggling ring
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 04 Oct 19 8.02am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If we leave without a deal and the EU refuse to put up any borders in Ireland I think that I will change professions and become a smuggler as there will be fortunes to be made smuggling goods over the non existent border. No doubt the more dim witted remainers will start spouting off that it was Boris's plan all along as he's backed by an international smuggling ring Smuggling hedges across the herbaceous border?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 19 8.18am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If we leave without a deal and the EU refuse to put up any borders in Ireland I think that I will change professions and become a smuggler as there will be fortunes to be made smuggling goods over the non existent border. No doubt the more dim witted remainers will start spouting off that it was Boris's plan all along as he's backed by an international smuggling ring If we leave without a deal don't be surprised if the EU suddenly realises that there is a way to manage the Irish border problem after all.
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 04 Oct 19 8.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
MPs should always act on their convictions. They are entitled to change their minds in the light of new knowledge or greater experience. Parties can leave MPs just as much as MPs can leave parties. Promises made yesterday can become inappropriate tomorrow. Events change things and MPs need not to wear boots of clay. They should be prosecuted if they don't act according to their consciences. MP's should not be allowed to leave the Conservative Party for example, and then be allowed to be a Liberal Democrat MP. Their constituents voted them in as Conservative, not Lib Dem. If they want to leave then fair enough, but they should wait until a general election and canvass votes for their new party before they can become an MP for them. Under the current system Chuka Umunna is just an MP for hire.
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Teddy Eagle  04 Oct 19 9.56am |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Smuggling hedges across the herbaceous border? Hasn’t Jacob R-M got something to do with hedges? Or is that the Privet Councillor?
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 becky over the moon 04 Oct 19 9.58am |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Smuggling hedges across the herbaceous border? Yeh, but just think of all that lovely cheap smuggled tarmac the 'travellers' will be able to bring in to do your driveway with.....
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
So if we leave the EU without a deal who's problem does the Irish border become then as we will have fulfilled our obligations to the Irish by not having border checks and the problem becomes that of the EU I guess both would have problems as trade, and people, flow both ways.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I must have had it wrong for all these years as I thought that the history of violence was due to mutually religious hatred Of course it is the hatred which underlies it but the partition of Ireland and the fight of the republicans to reunite the country has been the motivation for the violence. Reinstating a border whose lines have become more blurred is thought to be a threat to continuing peace by people close to the matter.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.56am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2019 8.16am) Why? I think an extension followed by a GE is much more likely. If this "final offer" is rejected, as seems inevitable to me, then it seems that the gap is far too large in basic understanding of what is required for there to be any realistic prospect of tweaks making any difference. I truly hope I am wrong. If I am right then we will be down to finding out what Parliament will decide to do. This government are not in control of matters. Elsewhere in this thread I have read suggestions that as EU law is superior to UK law that the triggering of Article 50 would stand above the requirements of the Benn Act. This is the relevant clause in Article 50:- "3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period." The key phrase being "in agreement with the Member State concerned". UK law applies to all, so if the PM is required to ask for an extension then he is obliged by law to do so. That applies whether Johnson is still the PM or has been replaced. My conclusion therefore is that this is all electioneering and not a serious attempt at finding a deal. Johnson is setting up the scene (choreographed by his stage designer Cummings) ready for his next big performance as the martyr who tried to do what "we" wanted, but was blocked at every turn. This is all about him. He is entertaining in an Arthur Daley kind of way but I wouldn't buy a car from him either.
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| W12 04 Oct 19 11.07am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why? I think an extension followed by a GE is much more likely. If this "final offer" is rejected, as seems inevitable to me, then it seems that the gap is far too large in basic understanding of what is required for there to be any realistic prospect of tweaks making any difference. I truly hope I am wrong. If I am right then we will be down to finding out what Parliament will decide to do. This government are not in control of matters. Elsewhere in this thread I have read suggestions that as EU law is superior to UK law that the triggering of Article 50 would stand above the requirements of the Benn Act. This is the relevant clause in Article 50:- "3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period." The key phrase being "in agreement with the Member State concerned". UK law applies to all, so if the PM is required to ask for an extension then he is obliged by law to do so. That applies whether Johnson is still the PM or has been replaced. My conclusion therefore is that this is all electioneering and not a serious attempt at finding a deal. Johnson is setting up the scene (choreographed by his stage designer Cummings) ready for his next big performance as the martyr who tried to do what "we" wanted, but was blocked at every turn. This is all about him. He is entertaining in an Arthur Daley kind of way but I wouldn't buy a car from him either. I tend to agree (which is weird in itself). The only doubt I have with this reading of the situation is that Boris has said he will not ask for an extension under any circumstances. Brexiteers like myself will see this as a clear betrayal if he goes back on his words and he won't be forgiven. That would potentially open the door to a Corbyn or Farage government as the vote would be salami sliced. Almost equally likely though is that as they are now so out of touch, they will vote through a highly compromised version of May's deal thinking that this will appease the country (it will not). Can't see a no deal unless we extend and then Farage gets a majority so an extension may be the best bet for people who want rid of all the EU institutions. Personally I would dissolve the union with Scotland which would immediately remove us from the EU, revoke all the terrible laws passed by Blair and give us billions back per year in tax revenue and reduced public spending. Also just to see the look on Blackford's face.
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