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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 20 1.08pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm suspecting there's going to be ways to circumvent this. The tories are not going to attack big business.
I get the feeling there are enough people who will work for low wages in the UK as it is. Don't you? I believe enough people have been imported as it is. There have been hundreds of thousands of people who have moved to the UK annually. I doubt the UK has also created hundreds of thousands of jobs, homes, schools, university, college and hospital places each year too.

If you can show me how this will be circumvented, that would be ace.

'I get the feeling' – See above post. Not likely. Happy to be proved wrong, though. We will find out. Even if they are, products will get more expensive and the economic model will become very difficult for a lot of businesses.

It's worth looking at the statistics for british vs. migrant employment to help you understand your influx vs job creation point. Low skilled and labour work often has a high turnover rate.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Feb 20 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

You go ahead with the new restrictions but yes in some cases if the evidence is there it maybe that short term we need to loosen them for certain sectors.

However if you start that way certain business' will never adapt so I would not change anything for probably a year after the new regulations unless compelling data showed it was damaging the economy.

The people complaining the most are the companies that use cheap labour for coffee and takeaways etc. They need to prove that they have exhausted other options like putting up their salaries and training local people before I would be happy letting them off the hook.

It needs to be a flexible policy so maybe you are correct that it should be phased in but we need to see the evidence first that it is not working rather than the "Mega Expensive Coffee" company who doesn't pay UK tax complaining that it can't get enough slave labour.

I would personally cheer if every Costa, Starbucks and McDonalds closed their doors for ever and their staff were transferred to the care sector to do something we actually need.

Not going to happen though.

It's more likely that the care sector is going to suffer severe staff shortages, some manufacturing will transfer abroad because of labour problems and prices rise for other home produced goods.

Would that be a good enough outcome for stopping free movement? We will see how people react in due time.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Feb 20 2.00pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would personally cheer if every Costa, Starbucks and McDonalds closed their doors for ever and their staff were transferred to the care sector to do something we actually need.

Not going to happen though.

It's more likely that the care sector is going to suffer severe staff shortages, some manufacturing will transfer abroad because of labour problems and prices rise for other home produced goods.

Would that be a good enough outcome for stopping free movement? We will see how people react in due time.

I think that is a valid concern that staff may change to better paid jobs outside of the sector. However Boris is supposed to be solving the funding of social care and I suspect most if us would agree that the good folk who do that work are underpaid.

 


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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 19 Feb 20 2.19pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So explain how these jobs were filled before mass immigration?

The reality is that the workforce adapts to the environment just as business do.

Your suggestion that the British won't work low paid jobs just completely ignores the fact that most of them know they won't even get them.

Agreed

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 19 Feb 20 2.27pm Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I would personally cheer if every Costa, Starbucks and McDonalds closed their doors for ever and their staff were transferred to the care sector to do something we actually need.

Not going to happen though.

It's more likely that the care sector is going to suffer severe staff shortages, some manufacturing will transfer abroad because of labour problems and prices rise for other home produced goods.

Would that be a good enough outcome for stopping free movement? We will see how people react in due time.

Most care staff come from outside the EU ie somalia,philippines ect so your talking hogwash

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Feb 20 2.32pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

If you can show me how this will be circumvented, that would be ace.

'I get the feeling' – See above post. Not likely. Happy to be proved wrong, though. We will find out. Even if they are, products will get more expensive and the economic model will become very difficult for a lot of businesses.

It's worth looking at the statistics for british vs. migrant employment to help you understand your influx vs job creation point. Low skilled and labour work often has a high turnover rate.

There are already 100s of thousands of low skilled immigrants. If they have high turnover in employment rates it merely demonstrates that there are loads of them available for work.
Companies that pay decent wages will not struggle to employ people anyway. Despite what rubbish the media may invent.
Where are these 100s of thousands of jobs that require immigrants to fill? I'm not seeing them, nor is anyone else.
Dedpite the fact the economy is supposed to tank post Brexit.
'Oh dear, we can't import cheap labour'. How exactly is that a valid complaint?

Edited by ASCPFC (19 Feb 2020 2.33pm)

 


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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 19 Feb 20 2.52pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has nothing to do with what happened on the bus. For me that clearly was included as a personal example of the problem she sees resulting from Brexit.

She didn't suggest that everyone who voted to leave is a racist did she? She only suggested that Brexit has taken the cork out of the bottle and released the previously restrained racism that was always there in some people. A view that I share and have expressed here before.

She went on to give an opinion about why she believes it necessary to go on challenging these attitudes.

There is no need for anyone to feel offended. What she said is an opinion from a particular perspective, informed by personal experience and a valuable contribution to an important subject.

You believe that ONLY WHITE people are racist?? Certainly comes across that way in your posts!!

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 20 3.11pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So explain how these jobs were filled before mass immigration?

The reality is that the workforce adapts to the environment just as business do.

Your suggestion that the British won't work low paid jobs just completely ignores the fact that most of them know they won't even get them.

1 – That was a long long time ago

2 – Yes it does and will adapt. Not saying it won't but I am saying a phased process would be a far better approach, and that I'm really really interested to see how this will work as an aggressive cutoff without serious knock on effects. eg. More imports required

3 – Conjecture

We will see

Edited by SW19 CPFC (19 Feb 2020 3.12pm)

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 19 Feb 20 3.21pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Oh contrare

The issue is simply that British workers aren't interested. One cafe chain has recently come out and said around 1 in 50 applicants are British.

That's an issue.

It's also not slave labour for those companies – they legally have to pay minimum wage.

There are of course farms and food produce employers who are shirking the system and literally treating people like slaves, but they are not the majority – so again, workers will be on minimum wage. Maybe not full time, zero hours or part time probably but still when working, paid minimum wage.

The truth is there simply isn't the appetite to fill the roles.

People need to wake up and realise that we are no longer a labour based / manufacturing economy. We've been transitioning towards a service economy for decades.

I gather that the new policy will allow for a return to the 'old' (Pre EU) system of issuing agricultural workers with seasonal work permits at harvest times, so this should not be a problem.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 20 3.25pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by becky

I gather that the new policy will allow for a return to the 'old' (Pre EU) system of issuing agricultural workers with seasonal work permits at harvest times, so this should not be a problem.

If that is true, it will go some way to solving the farming/food industry issue with this, for sure. Would be interesting to get more clarity on it though considering...

'Under the new system, the government will continue with a pilot scheme for seasonal agricultural workers. But it does not intend to introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route.'

 


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W12 19 Feb 20 6.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So explain how these jobs were filled before mass immigration?

The reality is that the workforce adapts to the environment just as business do.

Your suggestion that the British won't work low paid jobs just completely ignores the fact that most of them know they won't even get them.

English people don’t want to live 10 to a room in a slum only to earn minimum wage. Why the f*** should they? There is no reason that low skilled jobs should be low paid especially when they are doing jobs that are physically/emotionally demanding, require unsociable hours and working in difficult/hostile environments.

Blair also decided to destroy vocational training and apprenticeships in favour of sending people to university to become communists.

All this needs to be reversed if we are to save this country from It’s enemies.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Feb 20 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

You believe that ONLY WHITE people are racist?? Certainly comes across that way in your posts!!

Of course I don't believe it.

What I believe is that as there are more "white" people in the UK than those of "colour" there are likely therefore to be more "white" racists, and that those of "colour" more likely to suffer from racism than create it, as a consequence.

 


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