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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 21 Feb 20 6.13am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's true but that doesn't mean that those who fought so hard last year to stop it happening were doing anything wrong. Which was the accusation.

Might not but your lot will always be remembered as anti democratic traitors, guess you will just have to live with that.


 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anybody who describes themselves, or anyone else, by their skin colour gets criticised by me. That includes the media who do it all the time.

I think it just perpetuates the problem. It is unnecessary unless someone is giving a description to the Police. What relevance is a person's skin colour to anything? There are other much more relevant descriptors available in every case.

Utter PC crap. If I went on holiday to Nigeria and somebody wanted to point me out I would expect to be called the white man.

Not the 6ft guy with brown hair when the bleeding obvious is my skin colour

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 20 9.09am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

But that's the point if they compromised maybe the divide would have been stitched up! Can you not see who's creating the divide

There was heaps of compromise being suggested. Most were content to accept a "soft" Brexit in which close alignment was maintained. Many wanted the options to be put back to the people so they could express how they felt with the benefit of 3 year's worth of hindsight.

Now it seems we are back into "no deal" territory and the the views of the moderates are being completely ignored again.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 20 9.14am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Might not but your lot will always be remembered as anti democratic traitors, guess you will just have to live with that.


Only by those who don't really understand how British democracy actually functions. Such people aren't a new phenomenon in UK politics.

Which is why the point needs to be endlessly repeated to ensure it isn't trampled on by the jack boots of the right.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 20 9.22am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Utter PC crap. If I went on holiday to Nigeria and somebody wanted to point me out I would expect to be called the white man.

Not the 6ft guy with brown hair when the bleeding obvious is my skin colour

This isn't Nigeria and even there if you were with some friends with a similar background to yourself, such a description wouldn't be very helpful.

Used purely to identify, a person's skin colour can, in some circumstances, as with other characteristics, be a useful guide. As with helping the Police.

When using it to classify a person into a group it isn't.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only by those who don't really understand how British democracy actually functions. Such people aren't a new phenomenon in UK politics.

Which is why the point needs to be endlessly repeated to ensure it isn't trampled on by the jack boots of the right.

Thank god we have you to enlighten us though. I feel so lucky to have found you through here.

That said, you state that it is MP’s jobs to make the decisions and the vote to leave was as much in some parts about making a statement about the unelected officials who make decisions within the EU boundaries as it was the UK. The EU could have cut the whole issue off at the pass, but they didn’t. They thought that inertia and fear of the unknown would be enough.

My reason for voting out was nothing to do with immigration. It was to do with making the EU take notice. A Greece, a Portugal an Ireland were countries that needed propping up and had signed up in full to “European Project”. The only way the EU would reform is if a large contributor pulled out. You can’t change something so corrupt from within.

Ask yourself this. Do you believe that all 52% are knuckle dragging “Britain first” racists or maybe that some educated people voted out as well? We all had our reasons.

It’s the same as I don’t believe all 48% of Remainers are superior
acting, condescending, patronising arses. Despite what the loud ones say.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Only by those who don't really understand how British democracy actually functions. Such people aren't a new phenomenon in UK politics.


You really are incredibly boring with your constant rambling about your definition of democracy being stuck in the eighteenth century

Your hero may have defined democracy as it applied 250 years ago but things change over the years. Burke's version of democracy didn't include votes for Catholics or most other people for that matter and the MPs for the most part were wealthy people some of whom represented boroughs with no inhabitants.

Much of political opinion was formed by the disenfranchised population rioting which was possibly the forerunner of the referendum except we now do it with a little more decorum

 

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Originally posted by robdave2k


Ask yourself this. Do you believe that all 52% are knuckle dragging “Britain first” racists or maybe that some educated people voted out as well?

Steve Parish employs quite a few immigrants for a knuckle dragging racist

 

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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Steve Parish employs quite a few immigrants for a knuckle dragging racist

And a Scot!

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Feb 20 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle


You really are incredibly boring with your constant rambling about your definition of democracy being stuck in the eighteenth century

Your hero may have defined democracy as it applied 250 years ago but things change over the years. Burke's version of democracy didn't include votes for Catholics or most other people for that matter and the MPs for the most part were wealthy people some of whom represented boroughs with no inhabitants.

Much of political opinion was formed by the disenfranchised population rioting which was possibly the forerunner of the referendum except we now do it with a little more decorum

If you find facts boring then sobeit. That's your own responsibility. As I said before I only repeat them when others claim something else. This is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact.

Burke isn't "my hero" at all. He just happens to have been the first person to eloquently express the principal. Many have confirmed it subsequently, including Churchill.

It is completely irrelevant that the people who can vote has expanded since Burke. That's the reddest of red herrings. The fact is that you cannot change facts and it is a fact that we have a representative democracy. The inescapable consequence of that fact is that our representatives are not, and cannot be, delegates. The inescapable consequence of that being that they must rely on their own judgements and not anyone else's.

 


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Originally posted by robdave2k

Thank god we have you to enlighten us though. I feel so lucky to have found you through here.

That said, you state that it is MP’s jobs to make the decisions and the vote to leave was as much in some parts about making a statement about the unelected officials who make decisions within the EU boundaries as it was the UK. The EU could have cut the whole issue off at the pass, but they didn’t. They thought that inertia and fear of the unknown would be enough.

My reason for voting out was nothing to do with immigration. It was to do with making the EU take notice. A Greece, a Portugal an Ireland were countries that needed propping up and had signed up in full to “European Project”. The only way the EU would reform is if a large contributor pulled out. You can’t change something so corrupt from within.

Ask yourself this. Do you believe that all 52% are knuckle dragging “Britain first” racists or maybe that some educated people voted out as well? We all had our reasons.

It’s the same as I don’t believe all 48% of Remainers are superior
acting, condescending, patronising arses. Despite what the loud ones say.

As the EU unelected officials don't make decisions it follows that everything else you claim is wrong. That what you claim is widely believed propaganda is very unfortunate but that's not my fault.

The officials apply the decisions made by the EU Council and the laws passed by the MEPs in the EU Parliament.

Of course all leavers are not knuckle dragging members of Britain First! However I think the overwhelming majority of the members of Britain First voted to leave the EU.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As the EU unelected officials don't make decisions it follows that everything else you claim is wrong. That what you claim is widely believed propaganda is very unfortunate but that's not my fault.

The officials apply the decisions made by the EU Council and the laws passed by the MEPs in the EU Parliament.

Of course all leavers are not knuckle dragging members of Britain First! However I think the overwhelming majority of the members of Britain First voted to leave the EU.

The Commission is unelected and introduces law and policy - not all of which requires EU parliament consent. It also negotiates trade deals independently of the EU Council and Parliament. So it does, in some cases, make decisions without a democratic mandate to do so.

 


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