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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Feb 18 1.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't lecture me on EU foreigners in the UK and residency and their attitudes towards it. For years I taught many EU youngsters in college classes where they comprised half the class. You either don't know what you're talking about because you were never on the front line or are just being disingenuous. Once they are here they have any number of ways of ensuring they stay but you just play dumb or don't know. Most who go back did and do so because they wanted to.....not because of our requirements. The fact that I even have to type that out......oh well. You clearly don't know the rules. Whether or not our governments choose to properly apply them is another matter. If it's easy to stay without a right to residency that's no fault of the rules, but a problem with their application. Furthermore it's not simply the rules that determine migration flows, but how a country's internal labour market operates. Acting like high immigration is a direct bi-product of EU membership is to misunderstand the underlying fundamental issues. EU membership is just one means to make such immigration possible, but it doesn't explain the demand for such immigration or the actual reasons for such immigration. If you think businesses will suddenly cease demanding such labour or that the Tories will stop them from getting it I believe you are mistaken. We will just have an added layer of bureaucracy and cost. The fundamentals of the market need altering.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Feb 18 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The problem is with the question. How are we defining liberalism and feminism?
I don't think a definition is important, it's more the negative feeling those words invoke and the extremely high correlation with voting leave when those negative feelings are invoked. It's fairly unequivocal, given the findings, that those with a negative view of equal rights for non-white non-straight males were far more likely to have voted leave.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Feb 18 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
It’s meaningless. Your explanation is vague and I have asked for a clarification. You will believe anything spoon fed to you by Labour. Their policy is stated as a "jobs first Brexit". That is defined as aiming for whatever deal results in the best outcome for British workers. That means protecting rights and enhancing them. That means keeping all options open in negotiations and using collaborative democratic process to determine what the British people want (this has been done btw and suggests Labour's attitude is in line with the public - google Brexit Assembly). If it means a Norway model then so be it. if it means staying in the Customs union then so be it. If it's following the teachings of Ayatolah Rees-Mogg then so be it. The point is that it sets out the main goal of Brexit and then works collaboratively within the UK and with the EU to establish the end point that best achieves that goal, without ruling out options in advance before they have been assessed. They can then look at all the options and assess which would have the most beneficial impact on jobs and living standards for the JAMs. The Tory policy is far more vague and seems to involve putting the cart before the horse on trade.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Feb 18 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
No. You don’t understand negotiation nor the tactics that the EU will employ. You are again demonstrating your nativity and political bias. I am no supporter of May, when the Boris/JRM dream ticket comes in I will be happy but you don’t show our hand. I'm British. Not sure where you thought I was from. I guess that's about as close to a criticism of May's handling of the situation we'll get from you. When would you like this dream ticket to come in? 2019? I would rather see something done about it now. I would support getting rid of May now if JRM/Boris was my preferred option to run the country. Surely we need the people with the Brexit vision you favour in charge not simply waiting in the wings? I doubt it will change the EU's tactics all that much. They probably expect May to be gone any day as it is.
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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 18 2.06pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You clearly don't know the rules. Whether or not our governments choose to properly apply them is another matter. If it's easy to stay without a right to residency that's no fault of the rules, but a problem with their application. Furthermore it's not simply the rules that determine migration flows, but how a country's internal labour market operates. Acting like high immigration is a direct bi-product of EU membership is to misunderstand the underlying fundamental issues. EU membership is just one means to make such immigration possible, but it doesn't explain the demand for such immigration or the actual reasons for such immigration. If you think businesses will suddenly cease demanding such labour or that the Tories will stop them from getting it I believe you are mistaken. We will just have an added layer of bureaucracy and cost. The fundamentals of the market need altering.
The numbers who came here and stayed makes that massively plain.....or should do...even to those wishing to obfuscate.
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Stuk Top half 07 Feb 18 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
At the moment yes but it will happen in future years and you knew what I meant. Before the referendum, Nick Clegg said that talk of a combined EU army was rubbish yet it is happening. The opposition leader in Germany has openly called for a Federal Europe. Open your eyes. He ain't the opposition leader anymore. He's in (a slightly enforced by the President of Germany) coalition with Merkel and has stated today: Mr Schulz said the SPD had pushed through many of its own policies to the agreement. Schulz said: "You'll forgive me for thanking Mrs Merkel and Mr Seehofer, especially regarding the European policy chapter of this deal, because what we wrote down in this coalition agreement about the European Union and its future will be a fundamental change of direction in Europe. "With this coalition agreement, Germany will take an active and leading role in the European Union again."
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steeleye20 Croydon 07 Feb 18 4.40pm | |
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Theresa May refuses to rule out selling off the NHS in post-Brexit trade deal with Trump Why has Trump been making disparaging remarks about our NHS, what would it have to do with him. It's on his shopping list that's why.
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.TUX. 07 Feb 18 5.35pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Theresa May refuses to rule out selling off the NHS in post-Brexit trade deal with Trump Why has Trump been making disparaging remarks about our NHS, what would it have to do with him. It's on his shopping list that's why.
It's been on the IOUSA's pharma-corporations list for years, slyly aided by every UK govt for just as long.
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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 18 6.05pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Theresa May refuses to rule out selling off the NHS in post-Brexit trade deal with Trump Why has Trump been making disparaging remarks about our NHS, what would it have to do with him. It's on his shopping list that's why.
We have private companies now tendering for contracts. If it's free at the point of delivery what does it matter?
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Stirlingsays 07 Feb 18 6.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
He ain't the opposition leader anymore. He's in (a slightly enforced by the President of Germany) coalition with Merkel and has stated today: Mr Schulz said the SPD had pushed through many of its own policies to the agreement. Schulz said: "You'll forgive me for thanking Mrs Merkel and Mr Seehofer, especially regarding the European policy chapter of this deal, because what we wrote down in this coalition agreement about the European Union and its future will be a fundamental change of direction in Europe. "With this coalition agreement, Germany will take an active and leading role in the European Union again." EU enthusiasts have lied about the direction of the EU for decades. Their lies have been exposed and now many of the modern versions don't even bother trying to lie.....now they argue about 'timescales' not 'if'. All of those who warned about the 'slippery slope' in the seventies and were called fear mongerers by EU supporters have been vindicated. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2018 6.09pm)
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Ouzo Dan 07 Feb 18 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The numbers who came here and stayed makes that massively plain.....or should do...even to those wishing to obfuscate. Actually quite relevant to me, I am applying to be a Slovak resident with the end result being me buying & running a ski chalet.
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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Feb 18 7.26pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
I don't think a definition is important, it's more the negative feeling those words invoke and the extremely high correlation with voting leave when those negative feelings are invoked. It's fairly unequivocal, given the findings, that those with a negative view of equal rights for non-white non-straight males were far more likely to have voted leave. You are kidding. It's all important. Frankly, what you are suggesting is nonsense.
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